Teicher: No changes in defensive coaching staff - Page 6

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

OK fine Dick, then if this is the case, admit that you guys were dumbasses for sticking with Bartee and drafting Battle and go out and get new corners if these guys are such excellent coaches.

And here I was thinking that a coach is SUPPOSED to teach fundamentals and get his lessons across in a way where the guy won't be breaking down fundamentally time and time again. I guess this is an admission that this is the DUMBEST group of DB's in the history of the league too.

I'm sure he also wasn't responsible for the last place defense the Rams fielded the very next year either, once John Bunting left as the co-defensive coordinator. At least Martz had the balls to get rid of the guy.

All I know is this: in 1999 the Rams front office stepped in and forced Vermeil's hand to change his staff. Since Carl isn't doing the same thing here and forcing Vermeil's hand, it is ultimately Carl's responsibility. So Carl, you damn well better have the offseason of your life and get these brilliant coaches some players, otherwise you're gonna be sending your dream coach home with a broken legacy instead of riding off into the sunset...

Bros, I think the truth is DV is on the down low with all of his coaches.

Red Dawg · 01-18-2005, 08:46 AM

The players need to change, not the coaches. No coach teaches not to turn your head around and look for the ball. Or to blow assignments. We need players that play better and understand the defense and where they are suppose to be at.

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 08:50 AM

so I take it everybody is now ready to take seriously what I posted LAST week, from Holthus?

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 08:52 AM

Vermeil = Gunther

kc rush · 01-18-2005, 08:55 AM

How many times did we hear Dick say that they failed as coaches to prepare the players to play? Fans and the media were too tough on the players, because they have talent. Dick saw it on the practice field every day.

Now that it means that his friends may have to go, it is the players fault for not being talented enough.

Which is it Dick? Either way changes need to be made and Dick doesn't seem to have the balls to do it. He doesn't want to move outside of his comfort zone to build something truly great and Carl doesn't want to upset his buddy. Hooray for mediocrity.

I wonder what Gunther has to say about all of this. I wonder what Lamar has to say.

bricks · 01-18-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kc rush

How many times did we hear Dick say that they failed as coaches to prepare the players to play? Fans and the media were too tough on the players, because they have talent. Dick saw it on the practice field every day.

Now that it means that his friends may have to go, it is the players fault for not being talented enough.

Which is it Dick? Either way changes need to be made and Dick doesn't seem to have the balls to do it. He doesn't want to move outside of his comfort zone to build something truly great and Carl doesn't want to upset his buddy. Hooray for mediocrity.

Three words describe Vermeil:

Clueless. Contradicting. Senile.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 01-18-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

“They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability."

Well maayyyyyybe Dick is finally admitting that the players aren't good enough. Now if we could just get him to believe that he and the defensive coaches aren't good enough we might start getting somewhere.

**morphius** · 01-18-2005, 09:09 AM

If after every loss you say that you as a coaching staff need to do a better job at coaching the players, well, who is the real problem?

Oh well, I can almost guarntee that the reason that DV doesn't want to make any changes is because he knows it is his last year here and doesn't think he would be able to get anyone good to come in here for what is basically a one year job.

Gunther and Carl need to step in and tell DV that they gave him a chance to do it, but they need to make the changes anyway.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 01-18-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

If after every loss you say that you as a coaching staff need to do a better job at coaching the players, well, who is the real problem?

Oh well, I can almost guarntee that the reason that DV doesn't want to make any changes is because he knows it is his last year here and doesn't think he would be able to get anyone good to come in here for what is basically a one year job.

Gunther and Carl need to step in and tell DV that they gave him a chance to do it, but they need to make the changes anyway.

100% agree. He had to be forced in St. Louis and it won them a Super -Bowl. It needs to be done here.

Dick would make a great offensive coordinator.

brent102fire · 01-18-2005, 09:23 AM

Shouldn't Gunther have a say in who the defensive coaches are going to be? There was nothing said about how Gun feels and that frightens me a little bit

shaneo69 · 01-18-2005, 09:25 AM

This just pisses me off. Every fucking time that Vermiel brings up a Super Bowl that him or one of his coaches won elsewhere, I just wanna fucking strangle him.

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by beer me

100% agree. He had to be forced in St. Louis and it won them a Super -Bowl. It needs to be done here.

Dick would make a great offensive coordinator.

Dick would make a great RETIRED HEAD COACH.

Mike Grose · 01-18-2005, 09:41 AM

I'm getting sick to DEATH of half-measures.

Two years ago we tried to fix this broke-ass defense by bringing in some new blood while keeping all the coaches. Didn't work.

Then we tried to fix it by bringing in a new DC while keeping all the old sorry players and assistant coaches. Didn't work.

It's time to fix blow this thing up and go for broke by letting Gunther pick his own assistants and players. GR had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants Gunther had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants, and it's not WORKING!

1 Year. Make or break.

There are plenty of good young minds out there that would be happy to take a shot under Gunther to make their reputation.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 01-18-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Grose

I'm getting sick to DEATH of half-measures.

Two years ago we tried to fix this broke-ass defense by bringing in some new blood while keeping all the coaches. Didn't work.

Then we tried to fix it by bringing in a new DC while keeping all the old sorry players and assistant coaches. Didn't work.

It's time to fix blow this thing up and go for broke by letting Gunther pick his own assistants and players. GR had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants Gunther had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants, and it's not WORKING!

1 Year. Make or break.

There are plenty of good young minds out there that would be happy to take a shot under Gunther to make their reputation.

I wonder how much Gunther regrets coming back.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Grose

I'm getting sick to DEATH of half-measures.

Two years ago we tried to fix this broke-ass defense by bringing in some new blood while keeping all the coaches. Didn't work.

Then we tried to fix it by bringing in a new DC while keeping all the old sorry players and assistant coaches. Didn't work.

It's time to fix blow this thing up and go for broke by letting Gunther pick his own assistants and players. GR had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants Gunther had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants, and it's not WORKING!

1 Year. Make or break.

There are plenty of good young minds out there that would be happy to take a shot under Gunther to make their reputation.

Agreed. Anyone who is taking a promotion will be willing to come in here for "just one year".

They need to find someone who is young, but is from a solid defensive family tree, and give him his shot.

01-18-2005, 08:46 AM	#2
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1462858	The players need to change, not the coaches. No coach teaches not to turn your head around and look for the ball. Or to blow assignments. We need players that play better and understand the defense and where they are suppose to be at. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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01-18-2005, 08:50 AM	#3
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8179900	so I take it everybody is now ready to take seriously what I posted LAST week, from Holthus?
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01-18-2005, 08:52 AM	#4
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8179900	Vermeil = Gunther
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01-18-2005, 08:55 AM	#5
kc rush Blah Blah Blah Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In front of the computer. Casino cash: $2069559	How many times did we hear Dick say that they failed as coaches to prepare the players to play? Fans and the media were too tough on the players, because they have talent. Dick saw it on the practice field every day. Now that it means that his friends may have to go, it is the players fault for not being talented enough. Which is it Dick? Either way changes need to be made and Dick doesn't seem to have the balls to do it. He doesn't want to move outside of his comfort zone to build something truly great and Carl doesn't want to upset his buddy. Hooray for mediocrity. I wonder what Gunther has to say about all of this. I wonder what Lamar has to say.
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01-18-2005, 09:09 AM	#8
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5845027	If after every loss you say that you as a coaching staff need to do a better job at coaching the players, well, who is the real problem? Oh well, I can almost guarntee that the reason that DV doesn't want to make any changes is because he knows it is his last year here and doesn't think he would be able to get anyone good to come in here for what is basically a one year job. Gunther and Carl need to step in and tell DV that they gave him a chance to do it, but they need to make the changes anyway.
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01-18-2005, 09:23 AM	#10
brent102fire Perfection Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ladera Ranch, CA Casino cash: $10004900	Shouldn't Gunther have a say in who the defensive coaches are going to be? There was nothing said about how Gun feels and that frightens me a little bit __________________ "Ladies and Gentlemen of the supposed jury, Charlie Sheen is innocent because Chewbacca is from Kishic."-Johnny Cochran
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01-18-2005, 09:25 AM	#11
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	This just pisses me off. Every fucking time that Vermiel brings up a Super Bowl that him or one of his coaches won elsewhere, I just wanna fucking strangle him.
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01-18-2005, 09:41 AM	#13
Mike Grose Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $10004900	I'm getting sick to DEATH of half-measures. Two years ago we tried to fix this broke-ass defense by bringing in some new blood while keeping all the coaches. Didn't work. Then we tried to fix it by bringing in a new DC while keeping all the old sorry players and assistant coaches. Didn't work. It's time to fix blow this thing up and go for broke by letting Gunther pick his own assistants and players. GR had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants Gunther had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants, and it's not WORKING! 1 Year. Make or break. There are plenty of good young minds out there that would be happy to take a shot under Gunther to make their reputation.
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