Grbackers clearly in the minority...

[Clint in Wichita]

at least among ticket-purchasing fans. I agree that booing your own team is pretty lame, but when Grbac was introduced (yes, before the game had even started), he was met with about a 50/50 mix of cheers and boos.

After his last atrocious pass attempt, he was booed off the field by a chorus of boos like I've never heard before. He just stood there with his hands on his hips, staring at the crowd. Who knows what he was thinking, but his body language suggested that his spirit was broken.

Like it or not, his support is rapidly dwindling.

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[JOhn]

Michael.

Who said I was afraid he would get hurt? I said YOU would blame him if he did. Poinmt being that you will ALWAYS fault him.

According to your post you seem to be the one implying that he would get hurt.

"So what you're saying is, if Grbac would have tried to make the tackle instaed of trying to avoid contact he could have delivered the blow, instead of receiving it?"

Please do not put words in my mouth.<P>

[Michael Michigan]

JOhn-

How does delivering the blow imply that he would have gotten hurt?

It's simple, you think he's good, I don't. We've yet to make the playoffs with him at the helm. I don't want him to get hurt, as I want him to play out this season and move on.

I stated that I get pissed when he throws picks then runs to the sidelines.

[JOhn]

Guees we will have to agree to disagree. Because the film I watched on the news and my tape show something clearly different.

I was just sugesting that maybe your vision was clouded, by the fact you don't like him.

[Hoover]

This is a young Chiefs Team. I thought that we had a chance to win the game. Once Elvis' pass was tipped and intercepted for a TD the game was over. However, I do not blame Elvis. Alexander had an all right game, but when your team needs a touchdown and your quarterback puts the ball in the correct spot catch the damn ball. Drayton disappointed as well, I thought the two tight end set could have done more. But to Boo Elvis is silly, If we would only let him throw the ball 25 times per game, and run the ball I think the play action would work better. We need to establish ther run early (That does not mean just run the ball six times in your first six plays) but just keep them honest. I really don't think Elvis is the problem, Our D game up some big yards, and never really knocked Manning around.

Hoover

[Michael Michigan]

JOhn-

And yours is crystal clear?

[JOhn]

Michael Michigan
Not saying it is. But I'm willing to place blame when it is due. I'm just as willing to credit him when it's due, something I havn't seen you do with EG.

Again I never tried to INSIST anything, just made a suggestion.

Never mind, not gonna trade barbs back in forth with ya tonight. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]<BR>

[Michael Michigan]

JOhn-

As I don't watch your posts as closey as you do mine, I will take you at your word.

When is the last time Elvis did something to draw critisism from you?

[JOhn]

Uh lets see.....

Spiking the Ball [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]<P>

[Michael Michigan]

JOhn-

As did I. So let's see, we got guy with a fairly good arm, no mobility, horrible clock management, terrible field sense, and not enough guts to be a football player when he has to.

Explain to me why we want him at QB for the Chiefs again?

[Red Till Dead]

Manning could have given up 3 ints today.
Manning did over throw a wide open receiver in the endzone. He did do a Elvis twirl to the sideline and enhanced it by running about 30 yards in the wrong direction.
He didn't have 8 balls dropped in critical 3rd down situations, one that would have been a TD.

I bet Colts fans aren't screaming for his head today. Oh but the Colts don't have a 44 year old back up!

[Cannibal]

Maybe we should see if the Colts would trade us Manning for Grbac straight up since Manning is so terrible and Grbac is good. Think they'd go for it?

[Rausch]

I don't see any reasy to keep starting Girbac. So what if Collins sucks, so does Girlbac!
At least Collins really IS young enough to eventually develop.

I supported the idea of giving Girlbac time to develop. Ok, four years later and he still overthrows open wr's, he still stares down his target, he still throws int's at the worst of times, and he still doesn't have the heart to do the job.

We need a running back, and obviously a QB with a clue.

McNab, McNown, and Culpeper have already learned in a year what Girlbac couldn't in four....

[Red Till Dead]

Cannibal,
Thats my point. The colts would not trade Manning for Grbac. Although Manning probably made more mistakes than Grbac in todays game.

If Grbac threw three balls that should have been intercepted, or over threw a wide open receiver in the endzone, and did the Manning Twril dance, most on this board would be calling for his head.

No QB is perfect, as Manning and Farve showed us today. Although Grbac has to be, or it is his fault every time we lose a game.

Today we lost because of a poor running game, pathetic special teams, poor play calling, and 8 passes dropped that could have been for critical 1st downs and one more touch down.

Maybe if we took care of those things, we would not have had to be passing on 3rd and six from our own 14 yard line!

[DaWolf]

I don't think he's trying to say Manning sucks and Grbac kicks *** , he's trying to say that even though Manning had probably a subpar game for himself, his teammates picked him up and he had the support to win. Grbac's teammates didn't rally help him much, with 73 or so yards rushing and 8 dropped passes. If Elvis' INT is dropped like Manning's other 2 were, or if Manning's other 2 are caught, it could have been a totally different game. But thems are the breaks. Indy is the better team, but we had our shots and didn't execute on many levels beyond just the QB...

[AZChief]

Da Wolf...#13 was right on the money. Thank you for saving me from doing the typing!

AZ