Chiefs Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC - Page 6

FloridaMan88 · 12-28-2005, 03:22 PM

My reasoning:

1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has.

2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO.

3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green.

4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance.

5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience.

6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.

Logical · 12-29-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd tell you to just do a search but Kyle and Indiana are still searching for the archive-rosetta-stone in Iraq...

I am pretty sure that only you and KCJohnny were upset at seeing Gunther go, not even Milkman was on that island.

htismaqe · 12-29-2005, 05:52 AM

Baby Lee (JCJohnny) and Sidewinder (Milkman) were both very vocal about not really wanting Vermeil.

It was just overshadowed by the absolutely over-the-top Ramifization talk...

ChiefFripp · 12-29-2005, 07:22 AM

DV's clock management drives me batty, I think a Martz season would wind up with me in a looney bin.

MichaelH · 12-29-2005, 07:32 AM

No, no and no.
I felt the same way about Dick and I feel the same way about Martz. I won't say that they're bad coaches. Both are good to excellent. But Martz will fail to address the defense the same way Dick did. The Chiefs do not need anymore "greatest show on turf" mentality.

chagrin · 12-29-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Faulk hasn't been able to play in more than 14 games in a season (including only 11 games in 2003) since the '99-'00 season. So I wouldn't say that is just one injury.

And Martz as a head coach has been to 7 playoff games, with 3 playoff wins and a Super Bowl appearance.

Is there another head coaching possibility that is realistically going to be available this offseason with that proven NFL track record as a head coach?

Not Gregg Williams
Not Bob Stoops
Not Pete Carroll
Not Al Saunders

Obviously we disagree, that's cool. Just remember though, Martz prefers passing and we happen to have 2 of the top 5-7 RB's in the NFL on our team. We saw him shut down his own running game (Marshall or not) for his passing game and dare anyone to say anything and hasn't won a playoff game since that time.

milkman · 12-29-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

I am pretty sure that only you and KCJohnny were upset at seeing Gunther go, not even Milkman was on that island.

Yeah, I wasn't upset at all about Gun's departure, but I was adamantly opposed to hiring Dick.

I was on the Marv Lewis bandwagon.

FloridaMan88 · 09-27-2008, 10:45 PM

This thread deserves a bump

boogblaster · 09-27-2008, 10:52 PM

NO NO NO to MM ..... Who I don't know yet ...

Deberg_1990 · 09-27-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelH

But Martz will fail to address the defense the same way Dick did.

He will?

Martz was the one who brought Lovie Smith to St Louie to turn around the defense. They then went to a Super Bowl.

**RealSNR** · 09-27-2008, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

This thread deserves a bump

Damn it, where's htismaqe when you need him?

Greater than bad does not equal good you moron

Mecca · 09-27-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Damn it, where's htismaqe when you need him?

Greater than bad does not equal good you moron

For a long term goal it's not that bad of an idea, you draft your QB, Martz develops him for say 3 years then you move onto another coach while you put better talent on your team.

**RealSNR** · 09-27-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

For a long term goal it's not that bad of an idea, you draft your QB, Martz develops him for say 3 years then you move onto another coach while you put better talent on your team.

That sounds good in theory, but it's more telling that Martz is way more effective as an assistant than he is as a head coach. He kinda ran off the fumes from Vermeil's team for awhile until it didn't work. Then he built up the Detroit offense, and now it looks like he's doing a great job in SanFran with O'Sullivan. I just don't know what he presents as a head coach though

Deberg_1990 · 09-27-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

He kinda ran off the fumes from Vermeil's team for awhile until it didn't work.

He got them back to a Super Bowl.

After the 2000 season, he recognized they were not going to win anything without a defense, so he brought in Lovie Smith.

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**RealSNR** · 09-27-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

He got them back to a Super Bowl.

After the 2000 season, he recognized they were not going to win anything without a defense, so he brought in Lovie Smith.

Because the defense fell apart in 2000, and the Rams became successful again once they got their D back under Smith. I don't really know if that team was better than Vermeil's 1999 team. One, Vermeil's team actually won it. Two, the 2001 team had been in that offense for 3 seasons now. They were bound to be more successful.

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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-547094	Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC My reasoning: 1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has. 2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO. 3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green. 4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance. 5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience. 6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.
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