FoxSports: Seattle was the better team...

[chagrin]

Let's not forget that Seattle couldn't close the deal on their offensive drive sin the first half when they had to. The better team may not have won, if you go by stats, but the hotter team did, sorry you flaming ****ing dicknose. Go back to Seattle now and pretend that you are a Seahag fan.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chagrin

Let's not forget that Seattle couldn't close the deal on their offensive drive sin the first half when they had to. The better team may not have won, if you go by stats, but the hotter team did, sorry you flaming ****ing dicknose. Go back to Seattle now and pretend that you are a Seahag fan.

The better team won. I don't think anybody here is saying anything other than that.

You can't just ignore the officials in last night's game -- unless you care nothing about the future of the NFL.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by chagrin

Let's not forget that Seattle couldn't close the deal on their offensive drive sin the first half when they had to.

I'm not going to forget that any more than I'm going to forget all of the points that the officials took off the board with bad officiating...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Anyone else finding it funny that TJ is so up in arms about bad officiating?

His team benefits from it more than anyone else in the league........

Defend chop-blocking, greased jerseys and cheating the cap reply in 3...2...1...

[Taco John]

Who are you again?

[morphius]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Who are you again?

of course I'm sure that Taco was all over the way the refs tainted Denver's first playoff win since Elway left, because you are not a homer or anything.

Morphius
just saying...

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Offsetting fouls STILL result in no touchdown.

Seattle just doesn't lose 10 yards.

Unless you're looking for a no-call, which would be convenient for the Seahawks.

The mistake was made by not calling illegal contact on Hope, followed by PI against Jackson.

This may come as a newsflash, but some of us that are "bitching and moaning" are simply upset about incompetent refs.

I don't give a shit about who won. I also don't think the refs lost the game for Seattle (Holmgren's play-calling did that).

But I do think it's bullshit that any team ever has to overcome poor officiating as part of the path to a win. I also think a better officiated game would have given Seattle a better chance to win the game.

The fact that you've written off poor officiating as just part of NFL football is pathetic IMO. The fact that you think everyone else should approach it with the same apathy as you is just plain reeruned.

And before you tell me to stop watching football if I don't like it, I suggest you stop opening threads full of bitching and moaning if you don't like it.

Just what this place needed, another clueless asshole who's opinion is more important than anyone else's.

[OnTheWarpath15]

This may come as a newsflash, but some of us that are "bitching and moaning" are simply upset about incompetent refs.

I don't give a shit about who won. I also don't think the refs lost the game for Seattle (Holmgren's play-calling did that).

Then we agree. My views are/were directed at the whiners who couldn't see past the poor officiating and see that Seattle had plenty of opportunities to win the game anyway, but would rather make excuses.

But I do think it's bullshit that any team ever has to overcome poor officiating as part of the path to a win. I also think a better officiated game would have given Seattle a better chance to win the game.

Don't disagree there either. Poor officiating didn't just rear it's ugly head last night, it's been a problem all year long. The Chiefs were "victims" on countless occcasions. They couldn't overcome it. Pittsburgh did against Indy on the road. Championship caliber teams find a way to win in the face of adversity.

The fact that you've written off poor officiating as just part of NFL football is pathetic IMO. The fact that you think everyone else should approach it with the same apathy as you is just plain reeruned.

Way off the mark. I was simply suggesting that instead of crying about it, to be proactive and try to do something about it. I don't like it either, but as a fan, there's not a whole lot we can do about it. The NFL isn't going to cancel the parade in Pittsburgh tomorrow and ship the Lombardi trophy to Seattle. What's done is done. It's easy to just complain...ask someone to offer a solution, and the room goes silent.

And before you tell me to stop watching football if I don't like it, I suggest you stop opening threads full of bitching and moaning if you don't like it.

I don't believe I ever said "jspchief, stop watching football if you don't like it." That debate was between htismaqe and myself.

Just what this place needed, another clueless asshole who's opinion is more important than anyone else's.

Whatever you say, boss.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Oh, and thanks for the neg rep......

Funny how htismaqe can give me rep after calling me a dumbass and a douchebag, yet you neg rep me and weren't even part of the goddamn debate.

If you had read the whole thread, you may have seen where I was coming from, and where I admitted I should have replaced "sore loser" with "sour grapes." Not that it should have mattered. I would hope we're all smart enough to know when something applies to us and when it doesn't.

If you weren't blaming the loss on the refs, it doesn't apply to you.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh, and thanks for the neg rep......

Funny how htismaqe can give me rep after calling me a dumbass and a douchebag, yet you neg rep me and weren't even part of the goddamn debate.

If you had read the whole thread, you may have seen where I was coming from, and where I admitted I should have replaced "sore loser" with "sour grapes." Not that it should have mattered. I would hope we're all smart enough to know when something applies to us and when it doesn't.

If you weren't blaming the loss on the refs, it doesn't apply to you.

Keep crying about your rep. That usually helps.

I negged you because of the way you came on this thread acting like a dick, and then admitted that you hadn't even read the thread.

Maybe if you want to direct your comments as someone specific, you should quote them. When you throw out blanket statements like "you're all a bunch of sore losers", you're going to piss some people off.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Keep crying about your rep. That usually helps.

I negged you because of the way you came on this thread acting like a dick, and then admitted that you hadn't even read the thread.

I don't give a damn about rep, neg rep me all you want. I just think it's kinda weak to neg rep me without reading the rest of the thread. Or joining the debate and then when it's all said and done, if you feel I've "disrespected" you, neg me.

If you had read the two page debate between htismaqeand I, you might have understood where I was coming from.

He and I still don't see eye to eye on the matter, but at least he respects my opinion and the fact that I'm not backing down from it.

My opinion isn't going to change, but I do apologize if you feel disrespected. Nothing personal.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by jspchief

This may come as a newsflash, but some of us that are "bitching and moaning" are simply upset about incompetent refs.

I don't give a shit about who won. I also don't think the refs lost the game for Seattle (Holmgren's play-calling did that).

But I do think it's bullshit that any team ever has to overcome poor officiating as part of the path to a win. I also think a better officiated game would have given Seattle a better chance to win the game.

The fact that you've written off poor officiating as just part of NFL football is pathetic IMO. The fact that you think everyone else should approach it with the same apathy as you is just plain reeruned.

And before you tell me to stop watching football if I don't like it, I suggest you stop opening threads full of bitching and moaning if you don't like it.

Just what this place needed, another clueless asshole who's opinion is more important than anyone else's.

Not a bad take, unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists will detract from your well thought opinion above and it won't mean squat.

IMO, we need to double the salary of the refs and make them full time employees of the NFL. I don't think they threw the game as some people will say, but I do think they make bad calls every game. Give them a better salary, more days in training, and make their salaries contingent upon their ability to call a good game - fine them for bad calls.

I also believe a great deal of the game today doesn't even need officials. We have too much technology not to employ it. Boundaries and planes can easily be defined by electronic markers in the field and in the footballs. I am sure people can come up with dozens of other processes that can eliminate human judgement altogether.

[Mecca]

I think it's sad the NFL has to debate on whether it uses replay, and how it uses it. Why don't they just review anything that should be reviewed, you don't need challenges for that.

How hard is it to have a guy sit in a booth look at replays and tell them when they got something wrong? I remember when they first took replay away and said "well it's making the games last longer." I personally could careless if the game lasts 30 minutes longer, aslong as the calls are right.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it's sad the NFL has to debate on whether it uses replay, and how it uses it. Why don't they just review anything that should be reviewed, you don't need challenges for that.

How hard is it to have a guy sit in a booth look at replays and tell them when they got something wrong? I remember when they first took replay away and said "well it's making the games last longer." I personally could careless if the game lasts 30 minutes longer, aslong as the calls are right.

I disagree.

Momentum is crucial in football. I have seen games where one team has something going right and the other team is on their heels, then BAM - an overly long review has killed the momentum and changed the outlook of the game.

IMO, we are better off without the parsed review we have today than with it.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

I disagree.

Momentum is crucial in football. I have seen games where one team has something going right and the other team is on their heels, then BAM - an overly long review has killed the momentum and changed the outlook of the game.

IMO, we are better off without the parsed review we have today than with it.

If the officials were good it would be one thing.........But the officials are bad, horribly bad. I'm tired of seeing so many blown calls, something has to be done to fix this issue.