Describe a scenario where you would take up arms against the U.S. government. - Page 6

**Rain Man** · 07-26-2006, 02:50 PM

What would it take for you to start up a rebellion group? What events would have to happen for you to think that you should risk your life to change how America is governed? Please be as specific as possible; I don't want to hear, "Some crazy despot is elected president." I want to hear, "The President disbands Congress at gunpoint" or "The President orders an invasion of Canada" or "The president has made it illegal for me to own slaves" or "The government is killing everyone who wears glasses and is sending the rest to the countryside" or some such thing.

Logical · 07-27-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

If they ever suggest that I won't AT LEAST get what I've paid into social security (including employer share) back, and with interest.

Come on fellas, there would be a whole lot us average Americans willing to take up arms over that one.

"Come on....make my day, Senator."

I cannot believe you are serious, there is no way my generation or yours will get back what you put into SS.

**Rain Man** · 07-27-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Logical

I cannot believe you are serious, there is no way my generation or yours will get back what you put into SS.

I'm not sure how old each of you are, but I think anyone in their late 40s will do okay. I'm 43, and I hear that I'm going to be one of the first to get mildly screwed over, and then the people younger than me will get worked over pretty good.

htismaqe · 07-27-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm not sure how old each of you are, but I think anyone in their late 40s will do okay. I'm 43, and I hear that I'm going to be one of the first to get mildly screwed over, and then the people younger than me will get worked over pretty good.

I'm 32. It's more likely that I'll see NONE of what I've paid in...

**HemiEd** · 07-27-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Generation-X may bend over and "take it."

Baby Boomers, old and young...will take up arms over that.

God pity them dem "bureaucrats"

Do you mean literally "take up arms?" I could see a nasty political confrontation but arms may be a little out of reason. I could not see intellegent people confronting our Army with a six shooter or deer rifle.

carlos3652 · 07-27-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Are you a green card guy, carlos? And if you don't mind sharing, do you plan to pursue citizenship at some point?

I am, (its actually Pink)

I married a US Citizen (4 years ago), and my child (2 years old) is a US Citizen as well...

I almost recieved my citizenship about 2 years ago, but I missed my appointment date ( I was out of the country - back home in Argentina) and I never re - scheduled.

Now, I am not so sure I want to become one, just because of the fear there might be a draft in the near future (I am only 24 and out of college) and I would have to go to war because of a loan I signed for to finish College.

I would be taking my family to Argentina at that point.

I was going to be drafted in Argentina, but then they made it voluntary instead of obligatory. My Dad, my uncles were all drafted by the military during the dictatorship times (Dirty War), when the police and military were corrupt... Those were scary times...

chagrin · 07-27-2006, 09:39 AM

So, you don't mind taking the benefits of this nation, and will gladly take whatever you can from it, including our tax dollars, but will head for the hills if you ever have to do something for America, is that correct?

chagrin · 07-27-2006, 09:41 AM

I'm sorry if that seems like I am being a jerk, but the way you wrote it, I don't really know how else to take the tone.

Please don't buy into the libby's scare tactics regarding a draft, you aren't going anywhere unless you join the military, then you should expect to go somewhere and stand fast.

**Rain Man** · 07-27-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm 32. It's more likely that I'll see NONE of what I've paid in...

Yeah. I figure that they'll just keep upping the age requirement. My parents can get SS as early as 62, but I think my eligibility age is 70. Yours will probably end up being 80 unless we can convince Donger to have about 50 million more children.

**Rain Man** · 07-27-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

I am, (its actually Pink)

I married a US Citizen (4 years ago), and my child (2 years old) is a US Citizen as well...

I almost recieved my citizenship about 2 years ago, but I missed my appointment date ( I was out of the country - back home in Argentina) and I never re - scheduled.

Now, I am not so sure I want to become one, just because of the fear there might be a draft in the near future (I am only 24 and out of college) and I would have to go to war because of a loan I signed for to finish College.

I would be taking my family to Argentina at that point.

I was going to be drafted in Argentina, but then they made it voluntary instead of obligatory. My Dad, my uncles were all drafted by the military during the dictatorship times (Dirty War), when the police and military were corrupt... Those were scary times...

I doubt that there'll be a draft anytime soon unless we get into a tussle with Iran, and I doubt that'll happen.

An acquaintance of mine in grad school was Argentinian, and he got drafted for the Falklands War. He wasn't looking forward to fighting the British, but he ended up guarding some mountain outpost near Chile, so he never saw any action. I always wondered if that was dumb luck, or if his family knew enough people for him to do a Bush or Clinton.

carlos3652 · 07-27-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

So, you don't mind taking the benefits of this nation, and will gladly take whatever you can from it, including our tax dollars, but will head for the hills if you ever have to do something for America, is that correct?

Nah, thats not how I see it,

I was not born in the US, this is really not my country,

Do i benefit from school, work and such, but I pay taxes too... I cant vote, I get harrased at airports pre 9/11 and after... whatever

If I had to do something for America I would do it, I am American, (South), but if the US wants to go to war vs Syria/Iran/ Russia/N Korea and China...

I will go back home and stay Neutral...

carlos3652 · 07-27-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I doubt that there'll be a draft anytime soon unless we get into a tussle with Iran, and I doubt that'll happen.

An acquaintance of mine in grad school was Argentinian, and he got drafted for the Falklands War. He wasn't looking forward to fighting the British, but he ended up guarding some mountain outpost near Chile, so he never saw any action. I always wondered if that was dumb luck, or if his family knew enough people for him to do a Bush or Clinton.

I was born during the Falkland war, that was the most stupid war ever fought... f the Monroe Doctrine... The US helped the British on this one...

I think that is why we stay neutral....

**Rain Man** · 07-27-2006, 10:12 AM

Heh. I never thought about that vis a vis the Monroe Doctrine.

**Donger** · 07-27-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

I cant vote

If you missed your naturalization and haven't bothered to re-schedule it, perhaps you have no reasonable foundation from which to complain about not being able to vote.

carlos3652 · 07-27-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

If you missed your naturalization and haven't bothered to re-schedule it, perhaps you have no reasonable foundation from which to complain about not being able to vote.

I am not complaining, I was just stating a fact...

ChiefaRoo · 07-27-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

I was born during the Falkland war, that was the most stupid war ever fought... f the Monroe Doctrine... The US helped the British on this one...

I think that is why we stay neutral....

Of course the US helped the UK during the Falklands war. You say that like it's a surprise. The UK is our closest ally and they most likely always will be.

The Monroe doctrine had nothing to do with this war. In addition the Monroe doctrine is an outdated philosophy that is not used today.

07-26-2006, 02:50 PM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-482449 VARSITY	Describe a scenario where you would take up arms against the U.S. government. What would it take for you to start up a rebellion group? What events would have to happen for you to think that you should risk your life to change how America is governed? Please be as specific as possible; I don't want to hear, "Some crazy despot is elected president." I want to hear, "The President disbands Congress at gunpoint" or "The President orders an invasion of Canada" or "The president has made it illegal for me to own slaves" or "The government is killing everyone who wears glasses and is sending the rest to the countryside" or some such thing.
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07-27-2006, 09:39 AM	#81
chagrin Giggitty! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missoula, Mt Casino cash: $9804905	So, you don't mind taking the benefits of this nation, and will gladly take whatever you can from it, including our tax dollars, but will head for the hills if you ever have to do something for America, is that correct? __________________ Times have changed, so have I, things are better now.
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07-27-2006, 09:41 AM	#82
chagrin Giggitty! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missoula, Mt Casino cash: $9804905	I'm sorry if that seems like I am being a jerk, but the way you wrote it, I don't really know how else to take the tone. Please don't buy into the libby's scare tactics regarding a draft, you aren't going anywhere unless you join the military, then you should expect to go somewhere and stand fast. __________________ Times have changed, so have I, things are better now.
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07-27-2006, 10:12 AM	#87
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-482449 VARSITY	Heh. I never thought about that vis a vis the Monroe Doctrine. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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