Do we have the worst 53 man roster in football?

[NIUhuskies]

I keep looking over our roster and honestly its making me sick. I was really excited about this season, but my God we may not even win 2 games!!! We are severely lacking talent. Pollard and Lelie were not great by any means, but with this roster we couldnt afford to drop them. Hope the $350 i paid for Sunday Ticket was worth it...

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Actually, I didn't say that. That's why I responded to you as I did. The stupidity was yours. I was trying to be polite.

So tell me, since I'm stupid, just exactly what you were saying, cause I can only see the implication that it proves Brown was a better choice.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Colin Brown was, for all intents and purposes, cut. They just didn't want him to take up a PS spot in case someone liked him, so they played the system. And this happened on an awful, awful team.

Meredith being cut from GB is a totally different animal. Look at milkman's response.

I think Pioli is making a smart move by not chasing broken down guys like Runyan, but Mike Goff is awful, and trading draft choices for Alleman and Ndukwe, when they were going to get cut anyway and you have waiver priority, doesn't strike me as very wise.

If you look out there, you could give a shot to Schuening, Canfield, Meredith, Cadogan, Shipley, and several other guys out there. If they don't work, it's no loss, but they have the potential and ability to contribute to a solid OL.

Milkman's response was a weak one, and Brown wasn't cut. Now, the reality is that Brown will have a year to develop himself enough to stick with the team. Whether that will help him or not remains to be seen. If you want to argue odds, you're on your own there, because I couldn't begin to think of a way to make them accurate.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Milkman's response was a weak one, and Brown wasn't cut. Now, the reality is that Brown will have a year to develop himself enough to stick with the team. Whether that will help him or not remains to be seen. If you want to argue odds, you're on your own there, because I couldn't begin to think of a way to make them accurate.

I don't think you got the gist of my post. "For all intents and purposes" is an acknowledgment that he wasn't formally cut, but he wasn't going to make the team so they invented an injury so they could IR him.

As far as "odds", I don't know what you're talking about. If you want me to take odds that one or two of those players I listed will end up as better, cheaper alternatives than Ndukwe, Alleman, Smith, Niswanger, I will definitely take that.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Milkman's response was a weak one, and Brown wasn't cut. Now, the reality is that Brown will have a year to develop himself enough to stick with the team. Whether that will help him or not remains to be seen. If you want to argue odds, you're on your own there, because I couldn't begin to think of a way to make them accurate.

Just a quick question with regards to the league rules. Can Brown practice with the team since he is on the IR list? And what is his injury anyway?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Just a quick question with regards to the league rules. Can Brown practice with the team since he is on the IR list? And what is his injury anyway?

I'm pretty sure he can't practice, but he can do classroom work and film study.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm pretty sure he can't practice, but he can do classroom work and film study.

I'm waiting.......

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

So tell me, since I'm stupid, just exactly what you were saying, cause I can only see the implication that it proves Brown was a better choice.

You know full well what a lineman that's been pimped by people here getting cut means to the argument that drafting that lineman would somehow have solved K.C.'s woes at the position. A UFDA (EVAN DIETRICH-SMITH) made that Packers squad on the O-line, along with another O-lineman draft pick. Meredith was the only Packers' draft pick that did not survive the cuts.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You know full well what a lineman that's been pimped by people here getting cut means to the argument that drafting that lineman would somehow have solved K.C.'s woes at the position. A UFDA (EVAN DIETRICH-SMITH) made that Packers squad on the O-line, along with another O-lineman draft pick. Meredith was the only Packers' draft pick that did not survive the cuts.

I know some Packer fans. They were pretty surprised that Smith was kept over Meredith. I know that they played Meredith at LT, but it was his run blocking that impressed most, which would lead one to think he'd be a solid RT (given his size), or at the very least, a swing tackle.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You know full well what a lineman that's been pimped by people here getting cut means to the argument that drafting that lineman would somehow have solved K.C.'s woes at the position. A UFDA (EVAN DIETRICH-SMITH) made that Packers squad on the O-line, along with another O-lineman draft pick. Meredith was the only Packers' draft pick that did not survive the cuts.

TJ Lang and Dietrich-Smith are both guards.

Meredith, while listed as a T/G on the Pack's roster was battling for the backup RT spot with Beano Giocomini.

He's not a guy that I would work on the left side, and he doesn't have the tools to play on the interior.

And I still am not understanding what exactly you were trying to say if you weren't trying to say that his cut is proof that he is not as good as Brown.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't think you got the gist of my post. "For all intents and purposes" is an acknowledgment that he wasn't formally cut, but he wasn't going to make the team so they invented an injury so they could IR him.

As far as "odds", I don't know what you're talking about. If you want me to take odds that one or two of those players I listed will end up as better, cheaper alternatives than Ndukwe, Alleman, Smith, Niswanger, I will definitely take that.

You may be right on whether or not he was going to make the team. I don't know, and Pioli's not going to enlighten us any time soon. However, we know for certain that the Packers cut Meredith, while keeping another O-lineman draftee and a UFDA O-lineman.

I understand the frustrations that people here have, and I even anticipated them when I first began posting here. But, the reality is that you can't fix every problem in one offseason. The team has dealt with the QB position, the defensive line and the elimination of a whole lot of dead weight.

I think that what's happened is that people are finally seeing just how terrible this team's front office has been of late. I think it was known, but not really understood until the new regime started axing the Pollards of the world. Terrible drafts from 2000-2007 have left the cupboards all but barren, and it's going to take time to re-stock them. It's hard having patience in a "get it done yesterday" world, but that's what Chiefs fans are going to have to do.

And I fully expect that the Chiefs will be snagging more O-lineman before all is said and done. Hell, Meredith might even wind up there, in theory.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

TJ Lang and Dietrich-Smith are both guards.

Meredith, while listed as a T/G on the Pack's roster was battling for the backup RT spot with Beano Giocomini.

He's not a guy that I would work on the left side, and he doesn't have the tools to play on the interior.

And I still am not understanding what exactly you were trying to say if you weren't trying to say that his cut is proof that he is not as good as Brown.

Lang played tackle in college: 10 on the right side and 26 on the left side.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Lang played tackle in college: 10 on the right side and 26 on the left side.

I'm aware of that, and he may well end up playing some tackle in the NFL, but his best position coming into the NFL was at guard.

Meredith is more the prototypical RT.

They weren't competing for the same position.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You may be right on whether or not he was going to make the team. I don't know, and Pioli's not going to enlighten us any time soon. However, we know for certain that the Packers cut Meredith, while keeping another O-lineman draftee and a UFDA O-lineman.

I understand the frustrations that people here have, and I even anticipated them when I first began posting here. But, the reality is that you can't fix every problem in one offseason. The team has dealt with the QB position, the defensive line and the elimination of a whole lot of dead weight.

I think that what's happened is that people are finally seeing just how terrible this team's front office has been of late. I think it was known, but not really understood until the new regime started axing the Pollards of the world. Terrible drafts from 2000-2007 have left the cupboards all but barren, and it's going to take time to re-stock them. It's hard having patience in a "get it done yesterday" world, but that's what Chiefs fans are going to have to do.

And I fully expect that the Chiefs will be snagging more O-lineman before all is said and done. Hell, Meredith might even wind up here, in theory.

I don't know of many knowledgeable fans who haven't been lamenting our drafting and talent acquisitions since about 1999 or so.

It's becoming more obvious to the casual fans, but almost no one on this board was pleased with the selections of Pollard, McBride, and Tamba was pretty controversial (prompting a "Mother**** You Carl" thread from banyon).

You also have to remember that the Packers were caught up in a numbers game. Smith was the only backup C on that team, Meredith was one of three LTs they had, but he wasn't ready for action, so they went with an older vet in Moll. They have fewer spots and he was trying out for the best position on their OL (behind Clifton, and with solid vet depth).

[KCDC]

Still, as desperate as we are, why not take a look at Meredith and see if he shows our coaches a glimmer of developmental skill?

[KCDC]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't know of many knowledgeable fans who haven't been lamenting our drafting and talent acquisitions since about 1999 or so.

It's becoming more obvious to the casual fans, but almost no one on this board was pleased with the selections of Pollard, McBride, and Tamba was pretty controversial (prompting a "Mother**** You Carl" thread from banyon).

You know, for all the Carl bashing (and I shouted at the TV at the early draft picks as well as most everyone else those years), we were able to field enough talent to go 9-7 or better most every year. Maybe it was luck. Maybe it was having the best OL in the NFL (I suspect the latter). Still, I find it ironic that we are so happy those years of 10-6 are over so that we can have three years of 3-13, 5-11, and then 10-6.

Yeah, I'm thrilled King Carl is gone. I trust Pioli more. Just pointing out the irony. The 90s (and pre-Herm early 2000s) are looking pretty damn good about now.