Chiefs Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature - Page 6

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-01-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

oh and our 2009 draft has 22 TD's, 4 INT's and is a part of the culture change that has us at 7-4 and 1st place in the AFC West...

but hey...

if you guys want me to, once again, post some of your FAVORITE TEAM'S DRAFTS from 2009...I will. You guys want to see the Ravens draft again? The Packers? Who? The Bengals? The Jets?

I'll tell you right now the 2009 draft was brutal...and we came out of it with Matt Cassel, Tyson Jackson, Jake O'Connell and Ryan Succop...with a few other stiffs like Donald Washington (a mecca favorite) who will probably never pan out...

So...if Matt Cassel continues leading this team to wins and division titles and keeps taking giant steps forward like he has this season...

I hate to say it DUMB****S...but our 2009 draft would be categorized as EPIC WIN...

which, once again, would make you drafturbator fools look like total idiots...(but what's new?)

but hey! HAMAS WANTED MACLIN AT #3! YEP! MACLIN! WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIGGER REACH THAN DHB AT #7! BUT WHAT AN EASY THING TO DO! CALL FOR A GUY WHO HAS ALREADY PLAYED A YEAR AND THEN TELL EVERYONE HOW GREAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF WE TOOK HIM AT #3! YEAH HAMAS! JIMMY CLAUSEN AT #1 FOR LIFE! V! GHOLST! 4 LYFE!

Yup, our 2009 Draft is an epic win. You heard it here first.

You, who said earlier yesterday that you still weren't sold on Matt Cassel, now promote him as a franchise guy as well as one of the people who helped bring in a culture change, and GC is a flip-flopper?

GC is a flip-flopper, and you are lamenting me for liking Clausen (when you said he was better than Bradford) and Gholston (who you specifically mentioned you wanted to draft).

Maclin was projected higher than Heyward Bey at #7, and was routinely looked at as a top-15 pick. Hell, he was a much higher rated prospect than Tyson Jackson, and it turns out, he can actually play.

There's your daily dose of attention. Now sprinkle some parmesan on your fail.

Hootie · 12-01-2010, 11:13 AM

dude GoChiefs is what he is...he's the biggest flip flopper I've ever seen...he tries to go against the grain as much as possible and even when he's proven wrong, knows he's wrong...he'll keep on going just to get that attention he used to miss out on...

I'm glad I don't think like that...I'm glad I'm an objective person who cheers for what I see...rather than for my "board rep"...

I have been one of the BIGGEST Cassel bashers on the board and off the board all year long...I hated him. Loathed him...told all of my friends (who don't care) all about it...

but even I can eat my crow on this one...because the dude has heart...he wants to be great...he's a leader...and he's turned a corner.

Hence the reason I started that thread where I predicted last week would be his week...the dude has arrived...and we have a QB.

beach tribe · 12-01-2010, 11:20 AM

Everyone of us should be thanking and praising Clark for hiring this guy.

I'm totally behind this FO, and coaching staff.

-King- · 12-01-2010, 11:23 AM

I'll have to eat crow also if Cassel turns out to be good. But it will be hilarious to see all the drafturbators reactions. They've been wrong about just about every quarterback the past couple years. Saying Jay Cutler is a franchise qb, saying Freeman would be a bust, saying Bradford would be a bust, saying Sanchez will be a franchise qb(he's not so far but he could be I'll admit), and that Clausen should be a #1 pick.

So it wouldn't shock me if they were wrong about cassel either. But to their credit, I will have been wrong also. Eh atleast I wasn't loud and douchey about it.
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Hootie · 12-01-2010, 11:28 AM

well the good thing is they'll never be able to ruin another offseason...

they know they have to be objective now instead of how they were last season...where what they "knew" was gospel and anyone who disagreed was a stupid "true fan" who didn't know anything and couldn't understand what they were watching...

because apparently it was the other way around

philfree · 12-01-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

well the good thing is they'll never be able to ruin another offseason...

they know they have to be objective now instead of how they were last season...where what they "knew" was gospel and anyone who disagreed was a stupid "true fan" who didn't know anything and couldn't understand what they were watching...

because apparently it was the other way around

You can't really believe that? LOL

PhilFree

-King- · 12-01-2010, 11:31 AM

Remember during the off season OTWP was discrediting Jamaal Charles because of the weakness of the defenses we played?

Those guys make me chuckle.
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Hootie · 12-01-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

Remember during the off season OTWP was discrediting Jamaal Charles because of the weakness of the defenses we played?

Those guys make me chuckle.
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of course he was...

and now Jamaal Charles is CLEARLY the best RB in the NFL...well him or Foster but I'm taking Jamaal...

and it's a shame Jamaal doesn't get more goalline work because he can power it in better than Jones I guarantee it...

beach tribe · 12-01-2010, 11:36 AM

The bashers are just Fn hilarious.
They predict a 5-6 win season, and when we blast through that, we still suck because our opponents weren't great.
Pioli still sucks because our best players were from the last regime, but without the players that have been plugged in around them, we are still a four win team.
Not to mention the fact that one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL now roam our sidelines because of him.
We've got a damn solid FS now, that we picked in the 5TH Fn round!
Talk about the Tyson Jackson pick all you want, but the player evaluations of the bashers, have been absolutely horrendous, and if their trend of projected player development continues, Tyson Jackson will end up being a Richard Seymore clone. Because players never develop you know.
After all, Hali sucks ass, and should have just been cut.
And just for the record. Matt Cassel looks 1000 times better than Mark Sanchez

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-01-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Talk about the Tyson Jackson pick all you want, but the player evaluations of the bashers, have been absolutely horrendous, and if their trend of projected player development continues, Tyson Jackson will end up being a Richard Seymore clone. Because players never develop you know.

You've been stating this since the day he was drafted and to date, he's been average at best and awful at worst.

I hope that someday he's an adequate starter but to date, he's been an epic failure. If the Chiefs had taken Oher, Orapko, Maclin, Harvin, Davis or Matthews (to name a few), this team would be further along in their rebuilding process.

Tyson Jackson, to date, has been a bust. Only time will tell if that changes and but that's far from a certainty.

beach tribe · 12-01-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You've been stating this since the day he was drafted and to date, he's been average at best and awful at worst.

I hope that someday he's an adequate starter but to date, he's been an epic failure. If the Chiefs had taken Oher, Orapko, Maclin, Harvin, Davis or Matthews (to name a few), this team would be further along in their rebuilding process.

Tyson Jackson, to date, has been a bust. Only time will tell if that changes and but that's far from a certainty.

I have only stated that he COULD become Seymore like, which is no more absurd than saying he will be Sims like. Until he gets, two and half seasons worth of games under his belt, I'm not going to declare him anything.
Until then, I'm going reserve judgement.

Hootie · 12-01-2010, 03:13 PM

I don't remember where I said I liked Clausen better than Bradford or when I said I'd take Gholston on the Chiefs...

As for Cassel...of course I was down on him...but I keep an open mind when I watch the Chiefs...and the way he has conducted himself even with all the criticism...he's like the opposite of Derek Anderson...and he's really proved himself to me, and he should be proving himself to everyone...instead, we still have OTWP being a complete dickhole (go figure) at least you've

about the whole thing...

I mean...I didn't just make that Cassel thread because I thought it was going to be funny...I really thought he was going to have a money game on the road @ Seattle (a very tough place to play) and then continue for the rest of the season trying to will this team to the postseason.

Chiefnj2 · 12-01-2010, 03:25 PM

Pioli and Belichik were always about the "team". They were the first to introduce their "team" into the Super Bowl. Prior to that it was always one team's offense and the others defense.

-King- · 12-01-2010, 04:04 PM

Is it sad that our #3 overall bust did more his rookie year than Hamas' #1 overall draft pick has done his whole career?

Can you imagine how dominant we'd be right now with the players Hamas wanted? Clausen, Mike Bell, Vernon Gholston, Bruce Campbell and Mardy Gilyard. **** yeah!!

Shit just look at the gems he drafted! http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=224527 They are really lighting the league up this year.

tk13 · 12-01-2010, 06:58 PM

I have to say that's a good point. If Carl was the GM we'd be seeing the 112th article about how he's turned the Chiefs around, again, and all is good and sunny with the world.

12-01-2010, 11:13 AM	#2
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	dude GoChiefs is what he is...he's the biggest flip flopper I've ever seen...he tries to go against the grain as much as possible and even when he's proven wrong, knows he's wrong...he'll keep on going just to get that attention he used to miss out on... I'm glad I don't think like that...I'm glad I'm an objective person who cheers for what I see...rather than for my "board rep"... I have been one of the BIGGEST Cassel bashers on the board and off the board all year long...I hated him. Loathed him...told all of my friends (who don't care) all about it... but even I can eat my crow on this one...because the dude has heart...he wants to be great...he's a leader...and he's turned a corner. Hence the reason I started that thread where I predicted last week would be his week...the dude has arrived...and we have a QB.
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12-01-2010, 11:23 AM	#4
-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $-1484257	I'll have to eat crow also if Cassel turns out to be good. But it will be hilarious to see all the drafturbators reactions. They've been wrong about just about every quarterback the past couple years. Saying Jay Cutler is a franchise qb, saying Freeman would be a bust, saying Bradford would be a bust, saying Sanchez will be a franchise qb(he's not so far but he could be I'll admit), and that Clausen should be a #1 pick. So it wouldn't shock me if they were wrong about cassel either. But to their credit, I will have been wrong also. Eh atleast I wasn't loud and douchey about it. Posted via Mobile Device
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12-01-2010, 11:28 AM	#5
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	well the good thing is they'll never be able to ruin another offseason... they know they have to be objective now instead of how they were last season...where what they "knew" was gospel and anyone who disagreed was a stupid "true fan" who didn't know anything and couldn't understand what they were watching... because apparently it was the other way around
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12-01-2010, 11:36 AM	#9
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3878036	The bashers are just Fn hilarious. They predict a 5-6 win season, and when we blast through that, we still suck because our opponents weren't great. Pioli still sucks because our best players were from the last regime, but without the players that have been plugged in around them, we are still a four win team. Not to mention the fact that one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL now roam our sidelines because of him. We've got a damn solid FS now, that we picked in the 5TH Fn round! Talk about the Tyson Jackson pick all you want, but the player evaluations of the bashers, have been absolutely horrendous, and if their trend of projected player development continues, Tyson Jackson will end up being a Richard Seymore clone. Because players never develop you know. After all, Hali sucks ass, and should have just been cut. And just for the record. Matt Cassel looks 1000 times better than Mark Sanchez
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12-01-2010, 03:13 PM	#12
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I don't remember where I said I liked Clausen better than Bradford or when I said I'd take Gholston on the Chiefs... As for Cassel...of course I was down on him...but I keep an open mind when I watch the Chiefs...and the way he has conducted himself even with all the criticism...he's like the opposite of Derek Anderson...and he's really proved himself to me, and he should be proving himself to everyone...instead, we still have OTWP being a complete dickhole (go figure) at least you've about the whole thing... I mean...I didn't just make that Cassel thread because I thought it was going to be funny...I really thought he was going to have a money game on the road @ Seattle (a very tough place to play) and then continue for the rest of the season trying to will this team to the postseason.
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12-01-2010, 11:20 AM	#3
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3878036	Everyone of us should be thanking and praising Clark for hiring this guy. I'm totally behind this FO, and coaching staff.
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12-01-2010, 11:31 AM	#7
-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $-1484257	Remember during the off season OTWP was discrediting Jamaal Charles because of the weakness of the defenses we played? Those guys make me chuckle. Posted via Mobile Device
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12-01-2010, 03:25 PM	#13
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Pioli and Belichik were always about the "team". They were the first to introduce their "team" into the Super Bowl. Prior to that it was always one team's offense and the others defense. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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12-01-2010, 04:04 PM	#14
-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $-1484257	Is it sad that our #3 overall bust did more his rookie year than Hamas' #1 overall draft pick has done his whole career? Can you imagine how dominant we'd be right now with the players Hamas wanted? Clausen, Mike Bell, Vernon Gholston, Bruce Campbell and Mardy Gilyard. **** yeah!! Shit just look at the gems he drafted! http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=224527 They are really lighting the league up this year. __________________ 🏁
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12-01-2010, 06:58 PM	#15
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1967500	I have to say that's a good point. If Carl was the GM we'd be seeing the 112th article about how he's turned the Chiefs around, again, and all is good and sunny with the world.
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