Chiefs trade scenario?

[kcbubb]

Every year players fall in the draft that we don't anticipate. I remember when many on this board were enamored with Everette Brown and Clausen and both fell to the 2nd round and several endorsed taking those players early.

I have also talked about trading down in previous years, but I feel that trading up may be a better option this year if the following scenario plays out.

If Julio Jones falls to the 12th pick in the draft where the Minnesota Vikings pick, the Chiefs should trade up to get him.

For starters I believe that Todd Hailey is one of the best WR and TE coaches in the game. If my memory serves me well, everywhere he goes, pro bowl WRs follow. I don't think the improved play of Dwayne Bowe is by chance.

Secondly, Julio Jones fits our system very well. We make running the ball a priority and he is the best run blockers in this draft that I am aware of. Also, he provides a deep threat. He needs polishing, but I believe that he would be pro bowler for the Chiefs with Haley's coaching. This situation appears to be one with a high floor and very high ceiling.

Third. The Vikings are in desperate need of a DT and we should be able to trade Glenn Dorsey to the Vikings for partial compensation in the trade. Dorsey is a better fit in there 4-3 system and provides immediate security for their problems with the old Williams wall, where one of the Williams maybe suspended. Dorsey has shown enough to provide considerable value to the Vikings in the 4-3, where he is a better fit.

I haven't looked at the trade chart, but I am guessing that the Vikings could get Dorsey, and maybe our 3rd and 5th and a pick next year depending on the play of Dorsey. Maybe this is too much or not quite enough, but I am guessing that it is in the ball park for a nine position move up depending on how you value Dorsey.


Go get one the best athletes in this draft!

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profil...nes?id=2495454

[Chiefnj2]

If you want a trade, the best thing for KC would be if Buffalo takes Miller or Dareus with their 1st round pick and then panics and wants Mallett or Locker at 21.

KC could hopefully get Buffalo's 2nd and 3rd round pick in return (draft value swap of 800 points for 810 points). That would give KC picks 34, 55, 68 and 88.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If you want a trade, the best thing for KC would be if Buffalo takes Miller or Dareus with their 1st round pick and then panics and wants Mallett or Locker at 21.

KC could hopefully get Buffalo's 2nd and 3rd round pick in return (draft value swap of 800 points for 810 points). That would give KC picks 34, 55, 68 and 88.

I'm hoping to God that Buffalo or Cincy doesn't take a QB in the 1st round and wants back into the 1st to get Ponder, Locker or Mallet. I know that's a pretty far drop from 21 to 34 or 35 but IMO....the talent in that area is more stacked.

[The Poz]

Not just the Bills but a shit load of teams will be looking for a QB (Bengals, 49ers, Titans, Seahawks, Redskins, Vikings and Cardinals are all candidates). Guys like Dalton and Kaepernick are being considered as late first rounders. Although the Redskins don't have many picks to offer any of these other teams could make that call.

[chiefscafan]

I agree can we stop suggesting dorsey. I love Julio jones but too damn expensive to move up. I wish redskins had more picks they really want mallett and would trade back up to our spot. However they only have the second and two 5ths and a pick next year not enough to mOve up to our pick.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'm hoping to God that Buffalo or Cincy doesn't take a QB in the 1st round and wants back into the 1st to get Ponder, Locker or Mallet. I know that's a pretty far drop from 21 to 34 or 35 but IMO....the talent in that area is more stacked.

I really don't see a huge dropoff in talent from 21 to 34. You should still be able to get a WR (Smith, Hankerson, Baldwin) or OLB (Reed, Houston, Sheard, Acho) or decent lineman, plus the early 3rd would be helpful.

[chiefscafan]

I like the buffalo trade when I used those picks, based on drafttek, we got Brooks Reed as our first pick he is starting to grow on me. Now how bout this trade scenario. What if for some crazy reason Quinn tumbles and he is available at 17. We call our old buddy the pats or would you not make that trade. Better yet what would we have to give up. Quinn and Hali together would be sick it would be like Neil and Derrick back rushing the passer how I miss those days.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

I like the buffalo trade when I used those picks, based on drafttek, we got Brooks Reed as our first pick he is starting to grow on me. Now how bout this trade scenario. What if for some crazy reason Quinn tumbles and he is available at 17. We call our old buddy the pats or would you not make that trade. Better yet what would we have to give up. Quinn and Hali together would be sick it would be like Neil and Derrick back rushing the passer how I miss those days.

Quinn is too risky to move up and grab. Only 1 year of production, and his numbers came against bad teams.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Quinn is too risky to move up and grab. Only 1 year of production, and his numbers came against bad teams.

Eh...the guy is explosive and has everything. Watch the highlights of him versus Tony Costanzo. It's a hell of a battle and he shows very well against him. He's not Miller, but he's got the physical tools to be dominant as a pass rusher in either a 4-3 or a 3-4. However, we've got our pass rusher - we need a Sam backer that is effective in dropping back into pass coverage. A guy that you want 4-8 sacks plus the ability/strength to stack the TE and OT as well as drop back and cover backs and ends in the flat. I don't know if you waste Quinn's burst and strength in anything other than pinning his ears back and letting him fly at the QB.

Personally, I think Sam Acho has got the perfect skill set for that LOLB position in a 3-4 that Crennel runs. He's smart, unselfish and has shown he can get to the QB as well as have the athleticism to pull back into coverage. Great work ethic and consummate team player.

I find it mildly amusing that after Hali led the AFC with 14.5 sacks, people still keep suggesting/wanting pure pass rushers for the Chiefs. With a solid NT and a younger, capable LOLB, this is a very good defense. I'll be disappointed if they don't address those specific needs come draft day.

[chiefscafan]

Yeah ancho is starting to grow on me as well in the senior bowl he blanketed the TE we could use that against gates. Also a bunch he was making the QB hurry. I wouldn't draft him first but second third I wouldn't be opposed to. I am starting to think pioli trades down accquires more picks and finishes off the major foundation of this team.

[chiefscafan]

Just no LT for me I'm tired of hearing move Albert he is starting to play better each year.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

The only trade UP we would possibly do would be with NE for Pouncey.

[boogblaster]

Get rid of Jackson sumhow .. get the LT from Wisconson ....

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'll be disappointed if they don't address those specific needs come draft day.

I'll be disappointed, but not surprised.

MOAR MIDGETS PLZ!!!11

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I really don't see a huge dropoff in talent from 21 to 34. You should still be able to get a WR (Smith, Hankerson, Baldwin) or OLB (Reed, Houston, Sheard, Acho) or decent lineman, plus the early 3rd would be helpful.

The hope would be that rather than a run on offensive linemen, there is a move up for the remaining quarterbacks such as Ponder, Locker (who has a good shot to go Minnesota at #12), Mallett and Kaepernick.

However, I think that Indy, Baltimore, Philly, New England and Chicago all will be looking at the OT position and all, with the exception of Philly, like to have more athletic tackles versus smash mouth guys. Baltimore and Indianapolis have met with Sherrod numerous times.

If the Chiefs move back, even to the top of the second round, I don't think that any of the top five offensive tackles that would be the best fit for their zone system are going to be available and the guys after that would fit that system are going to have to be a diamond in the rough type player.

If they want to address the OT position with a guy that fits the system, they are most likely going to have to stay at the #21 spot. But, as you stated, if they are looking WR or OLB, then moving back is probably the best way to go.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

Just no LT for me I'm tired of hearing move Albert he is starting to play better each year.

The thing is, with a zone scheme, you want relatively athletic guys on both ends, especially now that NFL defenses are swinging their pass rush and blitzes to both sides of the line. A flexible tackle that has the capability to play either side is really what the Chiefs would want, and there are five guys in this draft that fit that profile:

1. Costanzo
2. Sherrod
3. Solder
4. Carimi
5. Smith

After that, it's kind of a crap shoot in terms of getting a guy who is capable of playing the scheme that the Chiefs run, and it's a strong likelihood that none of these guys are going to be around past pick #29.

As well, Albert has not really gotten better. In fact, he's about the same player as he was in his rookie year as he hasn't shown any real progression in his blocking, particularly in pass protection. It is a position that needs to be looked at, and if you can get a guy in that provides better performance at that critical position, then you do it.