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['Hamas' Jenkins]

What else can you really say? This is a terrible football team.

What does it portend? That's a little harder to say.

1) I was willing to grant Haley some slack after the disastrous season opener, but seeing how this team responded, and how it has responded the last four games, he needs to be a dead man walking. The problem with Haley is the problem that happens with any hothead, whether it's Lou Piniella, Bobby Valentine, or Mangino: no one wants to play for, or listen to a prick when they are losing. If he could command respect it's one thing, but being a failed golfer who got into the NFL through daddy connections will kill him in a situation like this. It's the height of irony, really.

That team has a lot of quit in it.

2) Pioli may be one of the luckiest men in the NFL if this team is as bad as it looks right now. His own mismanagement of the team could literally cause the franchise to fall ass over teakettle into Andrew Luck, a pick for which he would take all the credit.

3) Romeo's defense is antiquated. You can't sit back and wait for a QB to pick you apart in a league where corners can't jam and you only have one legitimate pass rusher. This team needs to be shooting gaps and leaning on its corners, not expecting the linebackers and safeties to cover down the field or in the seams.

4) The telephone game is one of many things killing the offense. You can't say that multiple relays/filters is a good idea in a situation like that. It's one more potential area for failure. You don't need four sticks of RAM that have the same total capacity as two would.

5) The injuries have been disastrous, but you can't dodge that bug forever. I read an NFL preview on Grantland where Bill Barnwell pointed out the staggeringly low number of games lost by the Chiefs last year. This is the unlucky flip side of that coin. Given the schedule and the lack of focus, it's not the worst of all possible breaks to have it happen this year.

What can you say, really?

A lot of this stems from the 2009 offseason. By trading for Cassel in February, Pioli effectively passed on both Stafford and Sanchez. He hired Haley, a guy who looks daily more like the Reno airshow, and he made possibly the worst pick in Chiefs history at #3, and followed it up with maybe the worst draft in Chiefs history.

The ideology behind the roster construction is totally bankrupt, so it's hard to have much of any faith at this point.

[oRYMANo]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Yes, because in the last decade we ran it so well. Are we back to 2008. At that time we couldn't wait to get into the 3-4 and now that we have it you want to go back. Some of the best defenses in the league are 3-4, but its just too passive how we are running it now. The rules have changed since Romeo was the DC for a Super Bowl champion. The Pats also had a better line than we do. We have perhaps one serviceable lineman right now. Going back to the 4-3 puts Hali back at end where he was less than spectacular as well. Our problems are only multiplied by our big hole at safety.

The last decade we had good linebackers and Solid D-line man. Not enough talent for 3-4 this year. The D-Line needs more push. Gregg is creating an amazing pocket by falling on his ass every play.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think there was a single person who said Breaston was overpaid at the time he was signed. $5M per year in a contract they can easily cut any time they choose is a decent deal for either party.

As for what he was known for... you can't bring up his clashes without bringing up the fact that players have an insane amount of respect for him. Warner and Keyshawn go out of their way to gush about his coaching. And let's not act like he just got credit because he shouted. He had a terrific track record coaching up receivers and most people felt that the Cardinals' offense looked really flat (even with Warner) the year after Haley left. And again, he was the offensive coordinator during the Cardinals' Super Bowl run and, yes, it's widely known that Whisenhunt gave him true coordinating responsibilities.

Don't sell short his resume to support your argument. Haley was a well respected coach with a strong track record. He's made some mistakes, but he's done some really good things despite not having a whole ton to work with. I'm a lot more pissed at Pioli than I am with Haley. To me, the two biggest flaws in the Chiefs are the Quarterback and the two-gap system (not to mention some tremendously bad luck), and those REEK of Pioli.

Coordinating an offense for half a year is not a strong track record.

I'm far more pissed off at Pioli than Haley too, but I think you're building him up as though he was an assistant on par with Charlie Weis when he left New England or Mike Martz in St. Louis.

Of course, regardless of where you come from, the decision to hire Haley was also done by Pioli, who really appears to be nothing other than a mindless automaton.

[philfree]

) Romeo's defense is antiquated

Our offense is antiquated too! Haley wants to be the '86 Giants or something. :headshake:

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by philfree

Our offense is antiquated too! Haley wants to be the '86 Giants or something. :headshake:

Matt Cassel

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Coordinating an offense for half a year is not a strong track record.

I'm far more pissed off at Pioli than Haley too, but I think you're building him up as though he was an assistant on par with Charlie Weis when he left New England or Mike Martz in St. Louis.

Of course, regardless of where you come from, the decision to hire Haley was also done by Pioli, who really appears to be nothing other than a mindless automaton.

It's enough to suggest he knows what he's doing. Nobody's saying he's an offensive guru, nor does he have to be. It's not like he walked in with any more or less experience than Gruden, Tomlin, John Harbaugh, and several other successful coaches have. You may point to Haley's arguments with Boldin and Warner, but again... how can you dispute the claim that Keyshawn, Warner, and Fitzgerald seem to have had a tremendous relationship with Haley even to this day. Or the fact that lots of guys from Arizona have followed him to KC. We're not even talking about typical player-speak. We're talking about how Keyshawn won't shut up about Haley, or how Haley/Warner seem to be best friends to this day.

So I don't understand what your argument is against the Haley hire. I don't know how anyone can act like it was a blind tree hire. He was a young up and coming coordinator, which we all wanted. He was well respected with his players. He was a tough disciplinarian this team sorely need. And at the time, he ran a very successful, innovative offense. I don't know how anyone could possibly say he was a bad hire.

And in the process, this team is a shitload more disciplined than they were three years ago. He's gotten max production out of Hali, DJ, and Bowe. Etc... Who's really to blame here? How many coaches would have won with Matt Cassel and the patchwork starting lineup Pioli gave him? How many coaches wouldn't lose their team after losing players like Charles, Berry, and Moeaki? Haley's made mistakes, but I still believe the good far outweighs the bad.

[bevischief]

I was watching this game at BWW and I walked to the manger and had him change the channel I couldn't it any more.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

We've got a good number of pieces for the 3-4. It'd be reeruned to switch back now.

What'd be nice is if we could get a D-Coord. who is innovative enough to run a hybrid D that could line up in 3-4 and 4-3 and 3-3-5 and any other package depending upon what the game plan and personnel dictates.

[Hootie]

Someone made a comment about haley not being able to keep his nose out of the offense...he's the head coach with an offensive coordinator background...why would he keep his nose out? Makes no sense...he should be calling the damn plays if you ask me.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by oRYMANo

The last decade we had good linebackers and Solid D-line man. Not enough talent for 3-4 this year. The D-Line needs more push. Gregg is creating an amazing pocket by falling on his ass every play.

Yep. They totally blew it with the offseason decisions regarding the D-line. But hey, I'll shut up because the "coaches always know more."

[Dragonocho]

Other than the offense, defense, field goal and punt team I thought things went well. Looks like the punt return team is well rested for next week too. Bonus!

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Where'd you go, ReeTodd_KC

I am still here Drippy Dick... Just havent had time to respond yet...

[suds79]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Someone made a comment about haley not being able to keep his nose out of the offense...he's the head coach with an offensive coordinator background...why would he keep his nose out? Makes no sense...he should be calling the damn plays if you ask me.

I agree.

I don't think that's where Todd Haley has failed. He's failed at being able to get along with any other offensive mind. And he ran from the responsibility of play calling when he named Bill Muhr the play caller at the start of the season... I can only assume he's since pulled those duties or will do so soon if he hasn't already.

There's just more change.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's enough to suggest he knows what he's doing. Nobody's saying he's an offensive guru, nor does he have to be. It's not like he walked in with any more or less experience than Gruden, Tomlin, John Harbaugh, and several other successful coaches have. You may point to Haley's arguments with Boldin and Warner, but again... how can you dispute the claim that Keyshawn, Warner, and Fitzgerald seem to have had a tremendous relationship with Haley even to this day. Or the fact that lots of guys from Arizona have followed him to KC. We're not even talking about typical player-speak. We're talking about how Keyshawn won't shut up about Haley, or how Haley/Warner seem to be best friends to this day.

So I don't understand what your argument is against the Haley hire. I don't know how anyone can act like it was a blind tree hire. He was a young up and coming coordinator, which we all wanted. He was well respected with his players. He was a tough disciplinarian this team sorely need. And at the time, he ran a very successful, innovative offense. I don't know how anyone could possibly say he was a bad hire.

And in the process, this team is a shitload more disciplined than they were three years ago. He's gotten max production out of Hali, DJ, and Bowe. Etc... Who's really to blame here? How many coaches would have won with Matt Cassel and the patchwork starting lineup Pioli gave him? How many coaches wouldn't lose their team after losing players like Charles, Berry, and Moeaki? Haley's made mistakes, but I still believe the good far outweighs the bad.

1) Lots of guys from nearly any place a coach has been before will follow him elsewhere because coaches are generally more apt to go after players they know. I can't think of a better endorsement than Monty Beisel, Leonard Pope, and Lance Long following a coach to a new city. Of course they'd follow him there, they need every advantage they can to make a roster.

2) There was nothing innovative about the offense that he ran in Arizona, other than how terrible the running game was. You're trying to pawn him off like he's Mike Martz or Don Coryell, and that's completely disingenuous.

3) No one knew the name Todd Haley until January 2009, and then they knew it for those sideline blowups. Sure, he met a lot of things on a check-off list: coordinator, disciplinarian, etc., but being a good coach is not a compilation of check off boxes. To be a good coach you have to be willing to delegate and trust your assistants, and make sane decisions, and I think it's pretty clear that he can't do that. That's not just a function of who calls plays, either.

4) I forgot another reason why people would have known Haley's name: his wife found a rat in a salad.

5) I'll reiterate: everyone likes a tough guy when they win, but a hard-driving maniac can really wear players out whenever things aren't going well.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Someone made a comment about haley not being able to keep his nose out of the offense...he's the head coach with an offensive coordinator background...why would he keep his nose out? Makes no sense...he should be calling the damn plays if you ask me.

Then man the **** up and call the ****ing plays. Quit hiring a new offensive coordinator every offseason and then getting rid of him because you don't get along.

If you're going to hire an offensive coordinator....let him do his ****ing job.

That's what I meant.

[Jack]

Your referral to the Reno Air Show is as tasteless as the stupidity of your analysis. . .