Luke Kuechly

[Chiefs=Champions]

I think this guy is the pick.

He really does everything well. Obviously in the defense he played in he plays more of a DJ type roll, roaming around making plays, but that dosnt mean he cant be a thumper.




A few times in this video he does a great job of disengaging from the blocker and making the stop.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Your stats would look better if it were fact that the TE lined up on Belcher's side every time but they didn't.

That's not the claim that was made anyway. The claim is that Belcher is invisible in pass coverage.

The numbers aren't so pristine as you claim anyway. All-Pro Scott Chandler caught 5 passes for 63 yards and 2 TD. Javid Best caught 4 passes in the underneath area usually covered by linebackers in week 2 and 1 TD. Backup TE Randy McMichael had 4 receptions in week 3. Visanthe Shiancoe was the Vikings top receiver with 6 catches against the Vikes. It was his season high. Anthony Fasano caught 2 TD passes. Gronkowski caught 4 balls for 2 TDs and nearly 100 yards, while Hernandez had another 4 catches.

Here is another stat. Belcher only made 16 tackles on running plays. Not only is he not defending passes, he's not even close enough to the play to make a tackle. He was on the field more than 200 pass plays last year. He can't rush the passer, can't defend the pass and isn't close to making plays once a pass is caught. Tell me again how he isn't invisible in pass coverage.

You're the guy that is making the claim that Belcher is terrible in coverage.

You tell me, how many of those passes to TEs did he give up?

Just a rough guess will do.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by milkman

You're the guy that is making the claim that Belcher is terrible in coverage.

You tell me, how many of those passes to TEs did he give up?

Just a rough guess will do.

Linebackers cover more than just tight ends. If Belcher is in there for base defense (which is mostly what he is in) he could be on a TE, HB or FB depending on the offensive formation. He was on the field for 45% of pass plays, had one pass defended, no INTs, no sacks and 16 tackles. That's invisible. Let's come up with a number (probably low) and say that the receivers that Belcher was assigned to cover got 3 catches a game. He knocked down one pass and was only close enough to his guy to get a tackle 16 times when his area should be middle of the field. That tells me he was in such bad coverage that he couldn't even get to the man to get a tackle two thirds of the time on short passes. You've got DJ on the other side of the field, expected to cover the other half short and his numbers blow Belcher away.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Linebackers cover more than just tight ends. If Belcher is in there for base defense (which is mostly what he is in) he could be on a TE, HB or FB depending on the offensive formation. He was on the field for 45% of pass plays, had one pass defended, no INTs, no sacks and 16 tackles. That's invisible. Let's come up with a number (probably low) and say that the receivers that Belcher was assigned to cover got 3 catches a game. He knocked down one pass and was only close enough to his guy to get a tackle 16 times when his area should be middle of the field. That tells me he was in such bad coverage that he couldn't even get to the man to get a tackle two thirds of the time on short passes. You've got DJ on the other side of the field, expected to cover the other half short and his numbers blow Belcher away.

So, according to you, Belcher had 16 tackles in the passing game, and elswhere you stated he had 6 tackle in the running game, yet he was the team's second leading tackler.

Holy shit, our defense was awful last year.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by milkman

So, according to you, Belcher had 16 tackles in the passing game, and elswhere you stated he had 6 tackle in the running game, yet he was the team's second leading tackler.

Holy shit, our defense was awful last year.

Must be confusing me with someone else. With 61 tackles he averaged just under 4 tackles a game.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Must be confusing me with someone else. With 61 tackles he averaged just under 4 tackles a game.

How many tackled did DJ have?

[O.city]

I don't wanna read thru the whole thread, Milk what do you not like about Kuechly?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by O.city

I don't wanna read thru the whole thread, Milk what do you not like about Kuechly?

He's being projected as a thumper by some here when he has provided no evidence that he will be.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

He's being projected as a thumper by some here when he has provided no evidence that he will be.

I can see that.


I think he could do it, but you are correct in that he's never been asked to do that.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by milkman

How many tackled did DJ have?

104, don't ask for the run/pass split. That takes a long time looking at game logs.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

104, don't ask for the run/pass split. That takes a long time looking at game logs.

I actually looked up the numbers and wanted to find out if you would be consistent.

[O.city]

Greg Cosell is the Executive producer of NFL Matchup, Senior Producer NFL Films for 33 years, Co-author of The Games That Changed The Game. He does alot of stuff on twitter about prospects. Here were his thoughts on Kuechly.



·Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
More I watched Kuechly more I liked him. Plus athleticism. Great play recognition. Played with eyes better than any LB I've evaluated.

Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Kuechly at times ran down teh seam with TE in coverage. Better athlete on tape than I was led to believe. Terrific closing speed in run game


Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Think Kuechly could play 4-3 OLB or 3-4 ILB. Scheme + position versatile. Many might disagree but I feel better prospect than Hawk(5th-2006)

Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
What surprised me w/Kuechly was athleticism + movement. Is he quick twitch, dynamically explosive? No but played fast w/urgent reaction time



Don't agree or disagree, just thought it was interesting.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by O.city

Greg Cosell is the Executive producer of NFL Matchup, Senior Producer NFL Films for 33 years, Co-author of The Games That Changed The Game. He does alot of stuff on twitter about prospects. Here were his thoughts on Kuechly.



·Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
More I watched Kuechly more I liked him. Plus athleticism. Great play recognition. Played with eyes better than any LB I've evaluated.

Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Kuechly at times ran down teh seam with TE in coverage. Better athlete on tape than I was led to believe. Terrific closing speed in run game


Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Think Kuechly could play 4-3 OLB or 3-4 ILB. Scheme + position versatile. Many might disagree but I feel better prospect than Hawk(5th-2006)

Greg Cosell ‏ @gregcosell Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
What surprised me w/Kuechly was athleticism + movement. Is he quick twitch, dynamically explosive? No but played fast w/urgent reaction time



Don't agree or disagree, just thought it was interesting.

I can't say I disagree with any of that, but other than the fact that Kuechly is better at this stage in his playing career at shedding blocks, that sounds a lot like DJ, which is what I've said from the beginning of these debates.

[O.city]

I think Hightower is more suited to be a thumper. I think Kuechly is alot more athletic.


I don't really know what to think.

[Bewbies]

The debate here around Kuechly reminds me a lot of Curry. Supreme athlete that people projected him (here) doing for us what he didn't do in college.

[O.city]

Kuechly is big enough to be a thumper, I just don't know that he can do it. I think he's smart enough and skilled enough.