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Old 01-09-2013, 11:19 AM  
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WalterFootball mocks 2013
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1. Kansas City Chiefs: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M

2. Kansas City Chiefs: Margus Hunt, DE/DT, SMU

3. Kansas City Chiefs: Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State

4. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:43 AM   #76
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If Jarvis Jones is there at 20, then that means there is something seriously wrong with him according to that report.

I'm not giving up picks for him when we have Houston and Tamba. Jones doesn't fit in our defense with them here and Tamba surely has at least 3 more productive years.
I am not extremely familiar with Jarvis Jones' condition. However, look at Da'Quan Bowers. No one wanted to touch him, he ended up going 51st. Even with missing time due to injury, he has (according to PFF) outplayed every 4-3 DE taken ahead of him: Robert Quinn, Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Jordan, and Jabaal Sheard.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:46 AM   #77
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No it's not even that, it's when they'll have teams right behind us draft a QB. They'll say Chiefs should trade down, with caption "because no QB is worth #1", then turn around and have a team right behind us in top 10 take a QB. An example is Ariz' caption "because they had the worst QB play and should fix QB problems"

It makes me say WTF? outloud.
That's true. You get the "Chiefs need a QB but it would be a reach here" followed by a team at 3 or 4 getting the "they get value with QB here".
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:59 AM   #78
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I am not extremely familiar with Jarvis Jones' condition. However, look at Da'Quan Bowers. No one wanted to touch him, he ended up going 51st. Even with missing time due to injury, he has (according to PFF) outplayed every 4-3 DE taken ahead of him: Robert Quinn, Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Jordan, and Jabaal Sheard.
Jarvis Jones has spinal stenosis.

Bowers had a knee condition, IIRC.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:13 AM   #79
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I am not extremely familiar with Jarvis Jones' condition. However, look at Da'Quan Bowers. No one wanted to touch him, he ended up going 51st. Even with missing time due to injury, he has (according to PFF) outplayed every 4-3 DE taken ahead of him: Robert Quinn, Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Jordan, and Jabaal Sheard.

According to PFF maybe.......

Jordan had 8 sacks and 66 tackles last year. Plus 3 fumbles forced.
Sheard had 7 sacks and 55 tackles last year. Plus 1 fumble forced.
Bowers had 3 sacks and 13 tackles last year. Zero fumbles forced.
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According to PFF maybe.......

Jordan had 8 sacks and 66 tackles last year. Plus 3 fumbles forced.
Sheard had 7 sacks and 55 tackles last year. Plus 1 fumble forced.
Bowers had 3 sacks and 13 tackles last year. Zero fumbles forced.
Bowers played part time, he replaced Daniel Teo-Nesheim. He played 292 snaps, while Jordan played 1059 and Sheard played 1015.
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Bowers played part time, he replaced Daniel Teo-Nesheim. He played 292 snaps, while Jordan played 1059 and Sheard played 1015.
Poor argument then. Small sample size. Like comparing per/48 stats in NBA
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Bowers played part time, he replaced Daniel Teo-Nesheim. He played 292 snaps, while Jordan played 1059 and Sheard played 1015.
How can you say he outplayed them when he couldn't even manage to get on the field?
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:44 PM   #83
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How can you say he outplayed them when he couldn't even manage to get on the field?
Injury. But, whatever. I don't care about Bowers, just trying to show that passing on a guy because everyone else is isn't always the smart move.

It wasn't injury related, but that is how Houston became a Chief.
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Warren Sapp and Randy Moss were passed over too. But you don't use those guys to prove a point...

I don't know about spinal stenosis, but dude was a freak at UGA.
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Warren Sapp and Randy Moss were passed over too. But you don't use those guys to prove a point...

I don't know about spinal stenosis, but dude was a freak at UGA.
Marcus McNeil was a top 10 elite left tackle prospect.

They discovered his stenosis at the combine I believe.

He fell to the 2nd round.

He played at a high level for 4 years and then started to break down. Now he's looking for a job.
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Marcus McNeil was a top 10 elite left tackle prospect.

They discovered his stenosis at the combine I believe.

He fell to the 2nd round.

He played at a high level for 4 years and then started to break down. Now he's looking for a job.
Well, considering the average career is 3 yrs...
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Well, considering the average career is 3 yrs...
We need to do something about this falsehood.

The average career is 3 yrs because there are hundreds of players that get a few games on their resume and never sniff the NFL again.

Some get a couple of years holding down spots on bad teams until more talented players replace them.

The guys that have the talent to stick for longer usually go onto have 8, 10 years, or longer.
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We need to do something about this falsehood.

The average career is 3 yrs because there are hundreds of players that get a few games on their resume and never sniff the NFL again.

Some get a couple of years holding down spots on bad teams until more talented players replace them.

The guys that have the talent to stick for longer usually go onto have 8, 10 years, or longer.
Oh I know, and a guy picked at 34 that only played for 3 years would be considered a bad pick. BUT, in the NFL I don't think you can expect 10 years. If you got an elite player for 5 or 6 you made a good pick.
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We need to do something about this falsehood.

The average career is 3 yrs because there are hundreds of players that get a few games on their resume and never sniff the NFL again.

Some get a couple of years holding down spots on bad teams until more talented players replace them.

The guys that have the talent to stick for longer usually go onto have 8, 10 years, or longer.
Best indicator would probably be average career of players drafted in the first 3 rounds.
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Oh I know, and a guy picked at 34 that only played for 3 years would be considered a bad pick. BUT, in the NFL I don't think you can expect 10 years. If you got an elite player for 5 or 6 you made a good pick.
You better get more than 5 or 6 years out of a top 10 pick.
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