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**Tribal Warfare** · 05-16-2013, 02:23 PM

Chiefs searching for clear-cut second receiver alongside Dwayne Bowe
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
The signature moment for a Chiefs wide receiver during offseason practice happened this week when coach Andy Reid chewed out Jon Baldwin for being lackadaisical in getting to the line of scrimmage before a play.

It’s early, but that can’t be a positive sign for the Chiefs as they work to develop one or more receivers capable of helping Dwayne Bowe boost their passing game. Baldwin is the other starter with Bowe and leads the list of candidates, but hasn’t yet emerged as the dominant offseason player he was last season before faltering when the games started.

The Chiefs signed Donnie Avery, who caught 60 passes for the Colts last season, but he has mostly been a backup. Avery turned an ankle in practice on Tuesday and his participation has been limited since.

Other candidates are Dexter McCluster, who caught a career-high 52 passes last season, veteran Terrance Copper and a group of developmental players trying to establish themselves in the NFL, including Devon Wylie, a fourth-round draft pick last year.

But McCluster has provided the Chiefs few big plays since his arrival in 2010, Copper is a journeyman valued mainly for his special-teams ability and Wylie showed little in the playing time he received late last season.

Reid suggested the Chiefs might mix and match receivers to try to maximize their abilities.

“I don’t mind playing a bunch of wide receivers,” Reid said. “That’s what you do to keep them fresh.

“We’ve got a variety. We’ve got some speed guys. We’ve got some smaller, quick guys. We’ve got big, strong guys and kind of those intermediate guys and that’s OK. We’ll work to all their strengths and allow them to make plays.’’

Baldwin, the Chiefs’ first-round draft pick in 2011, was a major disappointment last season. He repeatedly made impressive catches during offseason work, leading to hopes he would have a breakthrough season.

He didn’t. Baldwin caught just 20 passes, one for a touchdown.

Baldwin was drafted by the Chiefs when their general manager was Scott ***** and coach was Todd Haley. Both are gone, so this season may be Baldwin’s last chance to establish himself with the Chiefs.

“That’s always for everybody,’’ he said. “It doesn’t matter, the coaching staff. You know you’ve got to go and prove it every year. You can’t take any steps backward and think you’ve made it. You’ve just got to continue to work.

“You’ve just got to make steps forward. Coach Reid and (receivers coach David) Culley, those guys are going to work us all hard, going to coach me up pretty hard and I’m looking forward to getting out there and getting the opportunity this year.’’

Perhaps mindful of how Baldwin’s 2012 season turned out, nobody has predicted he will have a breakout year this time. But the Chiefs don’t appear ready to give up on the possibility, either.

“He’s more consistent in his route running,’’ Bowe said. “He’s going to be better because we’ve got a better coach and we’ve got a great quarterback and he’s got a guy like me that’s going to bring him along.’’

The Chiefs signed Avery to be the deep threat they otherwise lacked. The 60 receptions he has last season were a career high.

“I can go over the top and get some yards after the catch,’’ Avery said. “But whatever the coaches dial up, I’ll be happy to do. If it’s going deep, I’ll go deep. If it’s running a slant, I’ll run a slant. Andy Reid runs the show and his mindset is to attack, attack, attack. That’s what we’re doing.

“This is a good group of receivers. Everybody has their attributes. We’ve just got to use them all. Every game somebody is going to be upset because they didn’t get enough touches.’’

The Chiefs for now can only hope that’s the case. New Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith is familiar with the arrangement of receivers where the top player, in this case Bowe, stands out among the group.

Smith, acquired in March in a trade with San Francisco, last year threw to Michael Crabtree, who caught 85 passes and scored nine touchdowns. The 49ers’ second-leading receiver was Mario Manningham, who has 42 catches and one touchdown.

“We’ve got a big group, a lot of talent, a lot of guys with a lot of strengths is really what jumps out at you at first,’’ Smith said. “For right now, we’re all just trying to pick up the offense, get on the same page, work on timing.’’

chiefzilla1501 · 05-16-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I don't understand what you are saying here...
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I'm talking about yet another example of how Pioli ignored the advice of his scouts and his head coach.

And yet, the coaches and scouts still get blamed for Pioli's stupidity. I'm not saying Haley was a great coach. But it goes without saying that if he was allowed to coach with a healthy Jamaal Charles with Kaepernick at QB, 2011 could have looked a hell of a lot different.

**SAUTO** · 05-16-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm talking about yet another example of how Pioli ignored the advice of his scouts and his head coach.

And yet, the coaches and scouts still get blamed for Pioli's stupidity. I'm not saying Haley was a great coach. But it goes without saying that if he was allowed to coach with a healthy Jamaal Charles with Kaepernick at QB, 2011 could have looked a hell of a lot different.

Haley was a crazy ****.

Quit defending the guy. He was ****ing nuts.
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-King- · 05-16-2013, 06:07 PM

Why do people assume Pioli forced Baldwin on Haley? Seems as much of a Haley type pick as a Pioli pick.

-King- · 05-16-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Haley was a crazy ****.

Quit defending the guy. He was ****ing nuts.
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This.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-16-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Haley was a crazy ****.

Quit defending the guy. He was ****ing nuts.
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Regardless of whether he was crazy.

He was right about the QB.
He was right about being pissed off about Pioli forcing the 2-gap 3-4 on him.
And he is one of a whole league of coaches who believed Pioli was insufferable to work with.

I dont' care if he was crazy. I care about if he could have won games. For as much as CP bitches and moans about the QB situation, we sure as hell undermine how big a deal it is when the coach is forced to use a QB he doesn't want.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-16-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Why do people assume ***** forced Baldwin on Haley? Seems as much of a Haley type pick as a ***** pick.

Because jasonsauto said Haley wanted Kaepernick, and I trust him.
And it was well known that Bellichick thought very highly of Baldwin.
And you do know that Pioli had a track record for being an absolute nazi about making all personnel decisions, right? Even when other people didn't want those players.

-King- · 05-16-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because jasonsauto said Haley wanted Kaepernick, and I trust him.

I don't buy it.

-King- · 05-16-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Regardless of whether he was crazy.

He was right about the QB.
He was right about being pissed off about ***** forcing the 2-gap 3-4 on him.
And he is one of a whole league of coaches who believed ***** was insufferable to work with.

I dont' care if he was crazy. I care about if he could have won games. For as much as CP bitches and moans about the QB situation, we sure as hell undermine how big a deal it is when the coach is forced to use a QB he doesn't want.

Well shit, maybe he shouldn't have taken the job then.

Mother****erJones · 05-16-2013, 06:37 PM

****!! I loved Kaep coming out and wanted to take him. I didn't mind the baldwin pick because we needed talent at WR but damn I wanted Kaep. I know hindsight is 20/20 but I really did want him in round 1.

Mother****erJones · 05-16-2013, 06:40 PM

Well since I'm in a pissed off mood, are there any other gut wrenching ***** inside info besides shit from last year? Like the whole room wanting Kaep but Pioli took Baldwin.

mcaj22 · 05-16-2013, 06:42 PM

Phil Taylor was, and still should have been the pick

saphojunkie · 05-16-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Not possible. Cassell is a pretty damn big fail that he shoved down our throats for four years. Cassell got two coaches and the GM that put faith in him canned. Baldwin is a fail sk far and a big one. If this staff can't get him up to WR standards the he is a big bust.

Baldwin can't be a biggger fail than Cassel. Sure, we took Baldwin over Kaepernick, but we took Baldwin BECAUSE OF CASSEL.

Cassel is the biggest dick sucking failure of all time.

Six touchdowns. 21 turnovers.

**** MATT CASSELL ALWAYS FOREVER

oklachief · 05-16-2013, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

The 2nd

Oh, Oh, I know. All the above

Hammock Parties · 05-16-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Cassel is the biggest dick sucking failure of all time.

Basically.

He's the most embarrassing thing that's happened to this franchise ever.

EVER.

Nothing tops his fail.

**BossChief** · 05-16-2013, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

According to The Bad Guy's source it is. He's talked about it a few times. According to the story, the war room was 100% agreed on taking Kapernick in the first round in 2011, but ***** overrode everyone and took Baldwin instead.

**** my life....and we end up with the scraps (Alex Myth) for twice the price of what it would have taken to draft Kaepernick.

Again.

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls

Basically.

He's the most embarrassing thing that's happened to this franchise ever.

EVER.

Nothing tops his fail.

I don't know.

An interesting poll would be "which decisions was the worst?...Ryan Sims at 6? Tyson Jackson at 3? Dorsey at 5? Cassel at 36 (with a 63 million dollar contract)?

05-16-2013, 02:23 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2767187	Teicher:Chiefs searching for clear-cut second receiver alongside Dwayne Bowe Chiefs searching for clear-cut second receiver alongside Dwayne Bowe By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star The signature moment for a Chiefs wide receiver during offseason practice happened this week when coach Andy Reid chewed out Jon Baldwin for being lackadaisical in getting to the line of scrimmage before a play. It’s early, but that can’t be a positive sign for the Chiefs as they work to develop one or more receivers capable of helping Dwayne Bowe boost their passing game. Baldwin is the other starter with Bowe and leads the list of candidates, but hasn’t yet emerged as the dominant offseason player he was last season before faltering when the games started. The Chiefs signed Donnie Avery, who caught 60 passes for the Colts last season, but he has mostly been a backup. Avery turned an ankle in practice on Tuesday and his participation has been limited since. Other candidates are Dexter McCluster, who caught a career-high 52 passes last season, veteran Terrance Copper and a group of developmental players trying to establish themselves in the NFL, including Devon Wylie, a fourth-round draft pick last year. But McCluster has provided the Chiefs few big plays since his arrival in 2010, Copper is a journeyman valued mainly for his special-teams ability and Wylie showed little in the playing time he received late last season. Reid suggested the Chiefs might mix and match receivers to try to maximize their abilities. “I don’t mind playing a bunch of wide receivers,” Reid said. “That’s what you do to keep them fresh. “We’ve got a variety. We’ve got some speed guys. We’ve got some smaller, quick guys. We’ve got big, strong guys and kind of those intermediate guys and that’s OK. We’ll work to all their strengths and allow them to make plays.’’ Baldwin, the Chiefs’ first-round draft pick in 2011, was a major disappointment last season. He repeatedly made impressive catches during offseason work, leading to hopes he would have a breakthrough season. He didn’t. Baldwin caught just 20 passes, one for a touchdown. Baldwin was drafted by the Chiefs when their general manager was Scott ***** and coach was Todd Haley. Both are gone, so this season may be Baldwin’s last chance to establish himself with the Chiefs. “That’s always for everybody,’’ he said. “It doesn’t matter, the coaching staff. You know you’ve got to go and prove it every year. You can’t take any steps backward and think you’ve made it. You’ve just got to continue to work. “You’ve just got to make steps forward. Coach Reid and (receivers coach David) Culley, those guys are going to work us all hard, going to coach me up pretty hard and I’m looking forward to getting out there and getting the opportunity this year.’’ Perhaps mindful of how Baldwin’s 2012 season turned out, nobody has predicted he will have a breakout year this time. But the Chiefs don’t appear ready to give up on the possibility, either. “He’s more consistent in his route running,’’ Bowe said. “He’s going to be better because we’ve got a better coach and we’ve got a great quarterback and he’s got a guy like me that’s going to bring him along.’’ The Chiefs signed Avery to be the deep threat they otherwise lacked. The 60 receptions he has last season were a career high. “I can go over the top and get some yards after the catch,’’ Avery said. “But whatever the coaches dial up, I’ll be happy to do. If it’s going deep, I’ll go deep. If it’s running a slant, I’ll run a slant. Andy Reid runs the show and his mindset is to attack, attack, attack. That’s what we’re doing. “This is a good group of receivers. Everybody has their attributes. We’ve just got to use them all. Every game somebody is going to be upset because they didn’t get enough touches.’’ The Chiefs for now can only hope that’s the case. New Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith is familiar with the arrangement of receivers where the top player, in this case Bowe, stands out among the group. Smith, acquired in March in a trade with San Francisco, last year threw to Michael Crabtree, who caught 85 passes and scored nine touchdowns. The 49ers’ second-leading receiver was Mario Manningham, who has 42 catches and one touchdown. “We’ve got a big group, a lot of talent, a lot of guys with a lot of strengths is really what jumps out at you at first,’’ Smith said. “For right now, we’re all just trying to pick up the offense, get on the same page, work on timing.’’
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