2016 NFL Draft: Cornerbacks

[kccrow]

Post your scouting reports and thoughts on cornerbacks here.

[RunKC]

At this point I don't think Apple or Jackson will be there for us and even the Steelers will be nervous about that possibility as well. I see teams like the Saints, Redskins and Steelers with serious CB problems sitting in front of Us and don't see how Apple/Jackson make it through.

I understand the Howard skepticism bc I am not sold on him either, but man the position really drops after those guys.
I don't see Dorsey taking Howard, Burns or even Fuller at 28 with so many other talented guys there to choose from.

Thinking it loud here...our OL took a drop when Jeff Allen was off the field, so a G like Ifedi or Whitehair wouldn't surprise me, one of the DL that is realistically a top 20 talent outside of this draft wouldn't surprise me either, and of course a safety like Karl Josepth that would play a ton of snaps in the nickel wouldn't surprise me either. I think those options are better values.

The one guy I think could fall to us at 28 is Mackensie Alexander. I think his lack of height, his lack of production (INT's) and playing on an insanely talented Defense at Clemson could easily push him down to us. But that's depending on how you feel about him.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

At this point I don't think Apple or Jackson will be there for us and even the Steelers will be nervous about that possibility as well. I see teams like the Saints, Redskins and Steelers with serious CB problems sitting in front of Us and don't see how Apple/Jackson make it through.

I understand the Howard skepticism bc I am not sold on him either, but man the position really drops after those guys.
I don't see Dorsey taking Howard, Burns or even Fuller at 28 with so many other talented guys there to choose from.

Thinking it loud here...our OL took a drop when Jeff Allen was off the field, so a G like Ifedi or Whitehair wouldn't surprise me, one of the DL that is realistically a top 20 talent outside of this draft wouldn't surprise me either, and of course a safety like Karl Josepth that would play a ton of snaps in the nickel wouldn't surprise me either. I think those options are better values.

The one guy I think could fall to us at 28 is Mackensie Alexander. I think his lack of height, his lack of production (INT's) and playing on an insanely talented Defense at Clemson could easily push him down to us. But that's depending on how you feel about him.

I like Jackson and Apple, but if Alexander falls to us I'd be ecstatic on draft day. Give me another hyper competitive guy that's sticky in man coverage across from Peters, let Gaines continue to play the nickel, and it won't take long for us to forget about Smith.

That article O.City posted with Alexander is something everybody that is iffy on him should read. He's got an amazing football IQ and is the type of guy that can come in right away and pick things up. He would be a great fit on this defense (where he will have all that talent around him again).

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm sticking to my assessment of Howard, he sucks.

As for Bradberry, no ****ing way I'd reach even in the 2nd round. I'd take him in the 4th, but that's as early as I'd go on him. A big MAYBE in the 3rd if the Chiefs get that pick back, but that's realllllllllly pushing it. He's got a lot of learning to do and got torched on routine routes in 1-on-1's at the Senior Bowl by mediocre FBS receivers.

If there is a CB I'd reach on in the 2nd, its DJ White from Georgia Tech, he's got the physicality and ball skills with solid athleticism. He's a bit undersized based on what the Chiefs have picked lately, but he's a top quality defender.

With as much as KC actually played Smith in off-man, I wouldn't rule out Kendall Fuller as a dark horse candidate. Also, Dorsey will remember Tramon Williams as a Packer and see similarities there.

Burns, no way in the 1st. Way too raw. He's borderline 2nd to me and that is only because of his insane measurements. He isn't in the discussion until the 4th based on play on the field. If a team takes him before the Chiefs pick in the 2nd, so be it on him.

I don't think you reach just to reach. Sure, the Chiefs need a CB, but you don't sacrifice so much value that the pick is ridiculous.

I think we're largely in lock-step on our views here.

I don't like Bradberry in the first our second either; like I said earlier; I think he's a third rounder. By comparing him to Howard in the first, I'm simply doing that to show how little interest in Howard I actually have.

Like you, Fuller's the only guy outside of the Apple, Jackson and Alexander that I'd consider at 1. And if Fuller can't/won't run, I think I'd have to pass there as well.

[the Talking Can]

vernon butler and jackson are there when we pick

what do you think dorsey does?

and which do you think is bpa?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

vernon butler and jackson are there when we pick

what do you think dorsey does?

and which do you think is bpa?

Jackson for both.

Butler is close though and I wouldn't be shocked if Dorsey took him instead.

[staylor26]

This Kalan Reed kid is intriguing.

5'11" 192 lbs. 4.38 40. 41 1/2 inch vert.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Yeah. Really surprised with that 40. I was expecting 4.5 or so. He's going to climb up the boards into draftable range now I bet. 19 PDs and 4 INTs in 2015.

Yea I usually don't get too excited about pro day 40's, but that vert is probably a good indication that his speed is legit too.

[BossChief]

Which corners had the longest arms at the combine? Cause it seems Gaines, Peters and SS all have vines for arms...so it seems that's a thing Dorsey values.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Which corners had the longest arms at the combine? Cause it seems Gaines, Peters and SS all have vines for arms...so it seems that's a thing Dorsey values.

Gaines and Peters arm length is pretty much the average for their size (31).

Alexander who is a couple inches shorter has the same arm length, so it might keep Dorsey from passing him up due to his heighth (as will his physical style of play).

If you're looking for freakishly long arms Deiondre Hall is that guy (34). James Bradberry and Artie Burns also have very long arms (33).

[Mr. Laz]

1st round - CB William Jackson III - 31 3/4" Arm Length
2nd round - CB Artie Burns - 33 1/4" Arm Length


jackson arm's are average, Burns are towards the top

[RunKC]

Artie Burns mocked to us by Daniel Jeremiah. I like his measurables and press man expereince. Gets his head back to find the ball.

Not sure he's a first round guy though. Better talent should be on the board there.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Artie Burns mocked to us by Daniel Jeremiah. I like his measurables and press man expereince. Gets his head back to find the ball.

Not sure he's a first round guy though. Better talent should be on the board there.

He's a first round talent no question. I've been saying he's the dark horse at 28 for a while now.

He's raw, but I'd like to think our great secondary coaches could coach him up. You just know Dorsey's drooling over his height/weight/speed, long arms, and natural ball skills.

[O.city]

Man I dunno about taking him round 1. He's really raw, super talented, but raw.

I'd probably pass round 1 and hope he drops

[DJ's left nut]

I'd rather have Fuller.

If I'm taking a risk like that, I think Fuller has more upside. Fuller may not recover his athleticism and Burns may never develop proper technique.

I like Fuller a little more.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd rather have Fuller.

If I'm taking a risk like that, I think Fuller has more upside. Fuller may not recover his athleticism and Burns may never develop proper technique.

I like Fuller a little more.

From what I've watched and read about Fuller, he terrifies me that early. He could hit and be really good, or he's likely to be bad. I hate that big of a fluctuation.