Oh, Herm...you really put your foot in it this time... - Page 7

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 04:33 PM

Well, this should be fun!

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/09...onference__94/

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Now, our offense will have to gel. Will it be a slow-starting? I don’t know. We haven’t played yet. I’ll answer that after we play. When we score seven points I’ll say we’re slow starting. If we score 21 points, I’ll say, ‘whoa, we scored a lot of points.’ 21 points is a lot, 30 points isn’t a football game. That’s Arena Football. We’re talking about real football.”

Valiant · 09-04-2007, 05:55 PM

I swear Herm is some reeruned savant...

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Edwards should never tampered with this offense.

Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-04-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Herm Edwards outdoes himself...

Just wondering...who are the top 5 teams in the NFL -- the favorites to win the SB? Perhaps NE, SD, Indy, Cinci, and NO? And what are the top 5 offenses in the league? Hmmmm....

Pats....great defense

San Diego.....great defense

Colts.....great when it mattered

Bengals? You're kidding, right?

Bears.....great defense.

New Orleans.....the only one without a top defense. For now. We'll see how the season shakes out.

Frazod · 09-04-2007, 05:56 PM

I too am starting to seriously sour on Herm.

If you think Samie fucking Parker is an NFL-caliber receiver, then quite frankly you don't have any business washing jockstraps in the NFL, let alone coaching a team.

I was leaning off the bandwagon, but that was sort of my last-straw litmus test - whether or not Herm would finally see the light and shitcan that one who sucks the penis. He failed. How could anyone be trusted to run this team if they can't see something so painfully obvious? Dumbfuck Vermeil lost me in the same way when he continued to oooh and ahhh over the worst defense in football.

As Forrest Gump would say, stupid is as stupid does. We are again stuck with a HC who should have never risen above coordinator. This one's just on the opposite end of the spectrum from the last one.

Chiefspants · 09-04-2007, 05:59 PM

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-04-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't have the time to look up the league average for 41 seasons.

But your missing the point. I don't CARE if they scored 100 per game.

The defense all but guaranteed they would never need more than 16.

So even teams without the so called circus offense can, and do win Super Bowls.

5 of the last 10, excluding the Colts.

Steelers (avg 24ppg)

Pats x2 (averaged 22.5 over 2 SB)

Bucs (avg 22)

Ravens (avg 21)

That's not true at all. You are assuming that the D would never give up more than 16 a game. An average doesn't mean that you do that every time. It's nice to have flexibility to where if you need to score points, you can.

Do you really think that a team who scores nothing than 20 every time out by running 600 times, would have a shot in hell if they needed to open it up and score 34??

And GC....just because you spend draft picks on guys doesn't mean that you are focusing on one area.

Listen to his PCs, his game plans, the camps.

Hell, your belief is fundamentally flawed. Vermeil drafted Sims, was overruled on LJ, Siavii, DJ.

Those were his first picks, and the one time offense was selected, DV threw a shit fit. Yet no one would dare call him a defensive coach here in KC.

Coach · 09-04-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I couldn't disagree more.

In two years, Herm has spent eight of 14 picks on the offense.

Doesn't mean shit. It doesn't matter how many picks you picked on the offense. It's his coaching mentality that's all f**ked up straight to hell.

21 points is not a comfortable lead. A good/great QB will eat you alive with this mentality.

If your not up by 21 points, then you keep throwing the ball. A three touchdown lead is not something to give up on. No wonder we crushed him by 50 some odd points when he was with NY. Every time I try to give the idiot the benefit of the doubt, you can always find one of these quotes. Manning threw three touchdowns in a two minute drill. I have seen Trent throw 2 TD's in his two minute drill.

See this quote for what it is. Basically he is saying he has no idea how to manage a goddamn clock.

Whoopie-f**king-do. It's something we already know. This explains the last issue I had with his game managment. I have gone over the fact Herm refuses to throw past five yards, I have talked about how the mass amounts of carries that allows teams to creep their safeties in the box. We have talked about the timid behavior that keeps us from first downs. But he shoots for his 21 points in a game and ten wins in a season.

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I shoot to win ten games. Then your in the Playoff hunt.

Way to make a winner Herman "Dumbass" Edwards.

Wildcards don't typically win Super Bowls. This proves Herm is not trying to make it to the SB. His goal is to make the playoffs every year in hopes that it keeps his job like it did for Marty for ten years. This attitude makes me sick as a fan, since it's our money that goes into paying this asshat. Not to mention the fourth round pick for a 2-14 coach, with a loosing record, and I forgot to mention that he is the only coach in the ENTIRE NFL, with a clock managment coach. So why does the clock management still suck?

Oh right, I have a good idea. Let's fire Terry Shea and let our clock manager be our QB coach. Then lets build a QB competion with a third round pick and a journeyman, and send our Pro Bowler to Miami to be with his QB coach. But lets make sure there is no stability behind that offensive line, to be competitive.

How Herm has taken this decent offensive philosophy and f***'ed it up so bad, I have no clue. I want more points than the other team, no matter how many it takes. I want to win every game whether it's reasonable or not. This is the mentality a coach should have.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-04-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.

Dude, you're wasting your time.

People will never see it that way, because then they couldn't blame Herm.

The hate for a man who did in ONE YEAR, with arguably LESS TALENT, what Vermeil accomplished in 5 years.

We could have whipped Indy's ass, and there would still be people bitching that he ****ed up in the Divisional Round.

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And GC....just because you spend draft picks on guys doesn't mean that you are focusing on one area.

Listen to his PCs, his game plans, the camps.

Oh, I do. Herm cares equally about both sides of the ball. In fact it was GLARING in training camp. He would spend time during the beginning of practice with a different position group each day.

I think he's more fair than Vermeil ever was. If the guy truly didn't care about offense he wouldn't have signed LJ to a massive deal this offseason and spent a first-round pick on a wide receiver. And he certainly wouldn't have invested in a complicated quarterback competition. Who was the first free agent we signed? A LEFT TACKLE. We got him in Kansas City and didn't let him leave.

Herm cares.

Coach · 09-04-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I too am starting to seriously sour on Herm.

If you think Samie fucking Parker is an NFL-caliber receiver, then quite frankly you don't have any business washing jockstraps in the NFL, let alone coaching a team.

I was leaning off the bandwagon, but that was sort of my last-straw litmus test - whether or not Herm would finally see the light and shitcan that one who sucks the penis. He failed. How could anyone be trusted to run this team if they can't see something so painfully obvious? Dumbfuck Vermeil lost me in the same way when he continued to oooh and ahhh over the worst defense in football.

As Forrest Gump would say, stupid is as stupid does. We are again stuck with a HC who should have never risen above coordinator. This one's just on the opposite end of the spectrum from the last one.

The thing is..... he never was a NFL Coordinator IIRC.

Adept Havelock · 09-04-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.

Damnit, I hate it when I'm compelled to agree with you.

Excellent take. A huge chunk of the offense left with the HOF LT.

That said, I'm getting rather discouraged with a number of Herm's decisions. I'm not ready to call for his head on a platter....yet.

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 06:05 PM

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I have gone over the fact Herm refuses to throw past five yards

This is just ignorant. The Chiefs were 9th in the NFL yards per attempt last season.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-04-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.

I don't disagree that he needed to retool the offense. What he didn't have to do was install the buttsex offense.

Only you could think that running 500 times up the ass is the logical step down from Air Coryell.

Chiefnj2 · 09-04-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, genious, that's exactly what he's saying.

Defense wins championships. If you have a good defense, you don't NEED to score 30ppg.

The last 10 Super Bowl Champs allowed 15.1 points per game.

Which means they would have only need to score 16 a game to win.

Hell, we averaged a shade over 20 last year.

Would 30 points per game be nice?

Sure. Will we NEED 30 ppg?

Nope. Unless DV's been named coach and I've missed it......

# of times a team scored 30 plus on KC in DV's last year = 3.
# of times a team scored 30 plus on KC last year = 3.

Hammock Parties · 09-04-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't disagree that he needed to retool the offense. What he didn't have to do was install the buttsex offense.

Only you could think that running 500 times up the ass is the logical step down from Air Coryell.

We didn't have the tackles to run outside. We didn't have the tackles to do seven-step drops.

Herm did fine on offense last year given the talent we had to work with.

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Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-726615	I too am starting to seriously sour on Herm. If you think Samie fucking Parker is an NFL-caliber receiver, then quite frankly you don't have any business washing jockstraps in the NFL, let alone coaching a team. I was leaning off the bandwagon, but that was sort of my last-straw litmus test - whether or not Herm would finally see the light and shitcan that one who sucks the penis. He failed. How could anyone be trusted to run this team if they can't see something so painfully obvious? Dumbfuck Vermeil lost me in the same way when he continued to oooh and ahhh over the worst defense in football. As Forrest Gump would say, stupid is as stupid does. We are again stuck with a HC who should have never risen above coordinator. This one's just on the opposite end of the spectrum from the last one.
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