The Bataan Death March, Day 5: Kansas City Royals @ Boston Red Sox (7/17)

[alnorth]

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
KC (40-53)	0	0	0	2	1	0	5	1	0	9	13	2
BOS (56-37)	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	2	0	3	12	0

Leo Nunez 4IP 1R 1ER 1BB 3K
First career MLB start
Win, (4-1) Jimmy Gobble 0.2IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Hold, (7) Zack Greinke 1.2IP 0R 0ER 2BB 0K
Joel Peralta 1.1IP 2R 2ER 0BB 1K
Joakim Soria 1.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 3K

VS.



Loss, (10-9) Tim Wakefield 6.1IP 6R 6ER 0BB 1K
Javier Lopez 0.2IP 2R 2ER 2BB 0K
Joel Pineiro 1IP 1R 1ER 0BB 1K
Kyle Snyder 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

KC

1. David DeJesus, CF
2. Mark Grudzielanek, 2B
3. Mark Teahen, RF
4. Billy Butler, DH
5. Ross Gload, 1B
6. Reggie Sanders, LF
6. Emil Brown, LF
7. Alex Gordon, 3B
8. John Buck, C
9. Tony Pena Jr, SS
9. Jason Smith, SS

BOS

1. J. D. Drew, RF
1. Eric Hinske, LF
2. Dustin, Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
4. Wily Mo Pena, LF/RF
5. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
6. Mike Lowell, 3B
7. Coco Crisp, CF
8. Doug Mirabelli, C
9. Julio Lugo, SS

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Thanks but I was wondering more along the lines on why they decided to do it that way.. Any knowledge on the basis(history) of the rule on why it came to be...

10.17 Winning And Losing Pitcher
(a) The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless
(1) such pitcher is a starting pitcher and Rule 10.17(b) applies; or
(2) Rule 10.17(c) applies.
Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.
(b) If the pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, is a starting pitcher who has not completed
(1) five innings of a game that lasts six or more innings on defense, or
(2) four innings of a game that lasts five innings on defense, then the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the relief pitcher, if there is only one relief pitcher, or the relief pitcher who, in the official scorer’s judgment was the most effective, if there is more than one relief pitcher.
Rule 10.17(b) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.17(b) that a relief pitcher pitch at least one complete inning or pitch when a crucial out is made, within the context of the game (including the score), in order to be credited as the winning pitcher. If the first relief pitcher pitches effectively, the official scorer should not presumptively credit that pitcher with the win, because the rule requires that the win be credited to the pitcher who was the most effective, and a subsequent relief pitcher may have been most effective. The official scorer, in determining which relief pitcher was the most effective, should consider the number of runs, earned runs and base runners given up by each relief pitcher and the context of the game at the time of each relief pitcher’s appearance. If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the official scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher.
(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.
Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.
(d) A losing pitcher is a pitcher who is responsible for the run that gives the winning team a lead that the winning team does not relinquish.
Rule 10.17(d) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the losing pitcher is concerned.
(e) A league may designate a non-championship game (for example, the Major League All-Star Game) for which Rules 10.17(a)(1) and 10.17(b) do not apply. In such games, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless such pitcher is knocked out after the winning team has attained a commanding lead and the official scorer concludes that a subsequent pitcher is entitled to credit as the winning pitcher.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info..._scorer_10.jsp

[Coach]

And the White Sox/Indians is in the 10th inning, all tied up 5.

[alnorth]

My internet died, totals are updated.

Learned something new, I always thought if the starting pitcher with a lead fails to go 5, then the pitcher who is in the game when it becomes "official" (team with the lead finishes 5) becomes the pitcher of record. Apparently thats not the case, and a reliever who came in during inning 5, pitches a couple outs, and leaves without finishing the 5th inning could win.

[Coach]

And Cleveland wins in the 11th aganist the White Sox.

6-5 your final score.

[KcMizzou]

Originally Posted by Coach

And Cleveland wins in the 11th aganist the White Sox.

6-5 your final score.

Woot!

[SPchief]

Eric is gonna be pissed

[Coach]

Originally Posted by SPchief

Eric is gonna be pissed

I think this Eric stuff is getting a little bit old, thankyouverymuch.

[SPchief]

Originally Posted by Coach

I think this Eric stuff is getting a little bit old, thankyouverymuch.

Did Eric tell you this?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Yeah Soria's a badass.

How did we luck into him?

the story on soria is that he was pitching in the san diego system in single A and we had a scout at one of his games that saw something in the kid and called moore right away. Another one of our scouts was watching him in the dominican winter ball league and saw him pitch a perfect game 2 days before we took him in the rule 5 draft.

Thats shows you exactly how important it is to have the best people in the scouting department, cause gems like soria, can and will happen. San Diego didnt realize what they had with the kid, for what reason, i dont know, but im thankful as a mother ****er they didnt know his true talents.

[KcMizzou]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkerman2001

the story on soria is that he was pitching in the san diego system in single A and we had a scout at one of his games that saw something in the kid and called moore right away. Another one of our scouts was watching him in the dominican winter ball league and saw him pitch a perfect game 2 days before we took him in the rule 5 draft.

Thats shows you exactly how important it is to have the best people in the scouting department, cause gems like soria, can and will happen. San Diego didnt realize what they had with the kid, for what reason, i dont know, but im thankful as a mother ****er they didnt know his true talents.

That's pretty sweet.

[Coach]

If ESPN.com is correct, the Royals are 1.5 behind the White Sox for 4th.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Coach

If ESPN.com is correct, the Royals are 1.5 behind the White Sox for 4th.

yah, they have 1 more win than us and 2 less losses so the 1 more win is equal to 1 ahead and the 2 losses is equal to .5 cause they've played a game more than us i think.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkerman2001

yah, they have 1 more win than us and 2 less losses so the 1 more win is equal to 1 ahead and the 2 losses is equal to .5 cause they've played a game more than us i think.

Nah its simpler than that.

Games ahead of X = ((# of wins more than X) + (# of losses less than X)) / 2