Views from around the Sports Nation on KU getting Orange Bowl over MU. - Page 7

MarcBulger · 12-04-2007, 03:25 PM

Mike and Mike in the morning - "Both are saying that uk's selection over Mizzou going to the Orange Bowl is purely a joke.

Associated Press - "Never mind that both of Missouri's losses were to Oklahoma, that the Tigers were two slots ahead of Kansas in the final BCS standings and beat the Jayhawks head-to-head on Nov. 24 to doom Kansas' national-title hopes."

Lee Corso - "Did Missouri beat Kansas? Did they beat Illinois? Where are they going?...Something's wrong with the system."

Kirk Herbstreit - "The Orange Bowl committee should be asked a question. Why Kansas over Missouri? They beat Kansas, were 11-1 in their last game and lost to what many say is the best team in the country."

Ivan Maisel - "The Orange Bowl chose Kansas and its 11-1 record over 11-2 Missouri despite the Tigers' defeat of the Jayhawks a week ago. Kansas, like Ohio State, benefited by not playing on Saturday, when Missouri lost to Oklahoma, 38-17."

Rivals.com poll - "The Tigers were left out of the BCS despite beating Kansas head-to-head for the Big 12 North title. Kansas, meanwhile, is going to the Orange Bowl." They're currently leading by a huge margin. http://collegefootball.rivals.com/copoll.asp?poll=69

Blair Kerkhoff - "In other words, Missouri would have profited from declining a spot in the Big 12 title game. Kansas, like Ohio State, gained by not extending its season, and that’s a serious flaw in the process. Risks should be rewarded, not penalized."

MY Fav:

"You can put the Orange Bowl with Kansas on Comedy Central, because it is a joke for them to be there." -- Pat Forde on ESPN this morning

**Bearcat** · 12-04-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

That's what I'm doing. Fight drool with drool.

It's funny, because if the tables were turned, the exact same thing would be happening... just substitute 'quite whining MUron' with 'quit whining Arrogant Asshole Gayhawk'. Those complaining the loudest about how MU got screwed would be the ones complaining the loudest about how Kansas won't shutup about getting screwed. And a few Mizzou fans would talk about how Kansas had their chance as #1, just like a few Kansas fans are now.

**Dave Lane** · 12-04-2007, 05:38 PM

Waahaa Waaa cry me a river....

chiefsfan987 · 12-04-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I'm not sure you guys have been following this year. Missouri beat Kansas less than two weeks ago. I didn't think memory repression could happen so quickly. Mizzou wears Black and Gold.

It's the Aggies who are maroon and white, they are the ones you are better than. Better than the Aggies by, what, 19-11? That's only one possession, but I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt and say that I think you are better than them.

Thats my whole point. Who knows if Kansas is better than Texas A&M? The whole thing is a cr**shoot this year all across the country. Basing whether a team is better than another off one game is reeruned especially in any game that ended in a difference of one possession.

**Bearcat** · 12-04-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

You guys can take shots at each other all day long. It's rather comical. However, I don't think anyone can argue that Kansas is in the Orange Bowl ONLY because the Orange Bowl Committee thought they would travel better. Bowl games aren't about logic, fairness, or even the best match up. It's about dollars. Sorry some of you are learning that the hard way this year. Everyone knows Mizzou is a superior team to Kansas, they proved it on the field. The rest of this doesn't even matter. It's not like KU is getting more money. It's all split evenly between every team in the conference.

I'm not a bowl economics expert, but I don't think it's evenly.. unless it's different for the BCS. I looked up the figures for the Cotton and Orange. The Cotton has a $3 million payout and the Orange is $18. I couldn't find the split for the Orange, but the Cotton was $1 million to the winner and $2 million split amongst the rest of the conference.

So, if it's the same split, Kansas would get $6 million from the Orange, and the other 11 teams would get about $1 each.

**Bearcat** · 12-04-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan987

Thats my whole point. Who knows if Kansas is better than Texas A&M? The whole thing is a cr**shoot this year all across the country. Basing whether a team is better than another off one game is reeruned especially in any game that ended in a difference of one possession.

Yep... I don't think anyone is going to say that Stanford or App State are better than USC or Michigan.

I've read 'do you have a short memory, Mizzou beat Kansas' many times here, yet after all the shocking upsets this year, people take a look at VTech/Kansas (or any other bowl for that matter) and know VTech is going to win 84-0.

Mosbonian · 12-04-2007, 06:03 PM

Man....all this whining from both sides is starting to sound like the maternity ward at the local hospital.

Fact #1- KU finished 11-1 and got picked to go to the Orange Bowl. Nothing we can do can change that so we need to get over it. To bitch at KU fans is worthless and full of needless venom. If they don't deserve to be there it will be shown by their play on the field. If they do then we need to congratulate them and move on.

Fact #2- We have scoreboard in every fashion....Head-to-head, Ranking in all Polls...and wins over you the last 2 years. Legitimize all you want, but the fact is we are better than you in football this year.

The rest of everything else spewed here is just childish drivel fueled by an attempt to see who can piss higher up the tree.

mmaddog
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**Bob Dole** · 12-04-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Man....all this whining from both sides is starting to sound like the maternity ward at the local hospital.

Fact #1- KU finished 11-1 and got picked to go to the Orange Bowl. Nothing we can do can change that so we need to get over it. To bitch at KU fans is worthless and full of needless venom. If they don't deserve to be there it will be shown by their play on the field. If they do then we need to congratulate them and move on.

Fact #2- We have scoreboard in every fashion....Head-to-head, Ranking in all Polls...and wins over you the last 2 years. Legitimize all you want, but the fact is we are better than you in football this year.

The rest of everything else spewed here is just childish drivel fueled by an attempt to see who can piss higher up the tree.

mmaddog
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You're a poopyhead.

5' 9.25".

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-04-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Man....all this whining from both sides is starting to sound like the maternity ward at the local hospital.

Fact #1- KU finished 11-1 and got picked to go to the Orange Bowl. Nothing we can do can change that so we need to get over it. To bitch at KU fans is worthless and full of needless venom. If they don't deserve to be there it will be shown by their play on the field. If they do then we need to congratulate them and move on.

Fact #2- We have scoreboard in every fashion....Head-to-head, Ranking in all Polls...and wins over you the last 2 years. Legitimize all you want, but the fact is we are better than you in football this year.

The rest of everything else spewed here is just childish drivel fueled by an attempt to see who can piss higher up the tree.

mmaddog
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Wow, I posted something similar about Chiefs fans a couple of weeks ago and you told me I needed to be "checked". Make up your mind.

Zebedee DuBois · 12-04-2007, 06:14 PM

Mr. Orange, and his wingman, Mr. Cotton needed dates for the ball. They met up with two good looking midwestern girls, a red head in a blue dress and a blonde in a black dress. Mr. Orange got to pick first and couldn't quite decide. The girls both looked great, the blonde might have had a little bigger bosom. For reasons unknown to us...perhaps the blonde had a bit of spinach in her teeth or had a case of halitosis, he decided the red head had a better personality and asked her to be his date. Mr. Cotton asked the blonde. The girls both accepted. The blonde then proceeded to whine and bitch about the red head. Mr. Cotton rolled his eyes.

HolyHandgernade · 12-04-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Man....all this whining from both sides is starting to sound like the maternity ward at the local hospital.

Fact #1- KU finished 11-1 and got picked to go to the Orange Bowl. Nothing we can do can change that so we need to get over it. To bitch at KU fans is worthless and full of needless venom. If they don't deserve to be there it will be shown by their play on the field. If they do then we need to congratulate them and move on.

Fact #2- We have scoreboard in every fashion....Head-to-head, Ranking in all Polls...and wins over you the last 2 years. Legitimize all you want, but the fact is we are better than you in football this year.

The rest of everything else spewed here is just childish drivel fueled by an attempt to see who can piss higher up the tree.

mmaddog
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Exactly. The only thing KU can say is to potential recruits that we played in a BCS Bowl last year. I mean, how much is that really worth anyway?

-HH

Eleazar · 12-04-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

It's funny, because if the tables were turned, the exact same thing would be happening... just substitute 'quite whining MUron' with 'quit whining Arrogant Asshole Gayhawk'. Those complaining the loudest about how MU got screwed would be the ones complaining the loudest about how Kansas won't shutup about getting screwed. And a few Mizzou fans would talk about how Kansas had their chance as #1, just like a few Kansas fans are now.

In many cases I would agree that it's home team bias at work. But in this case, there are measurables that are all in Missouri's favor. And it's not like the loss was early in the season, it was a week and a day previous to when the decision was made.

I wonder who the last team was left out of the BCS was who by the measurables qualified and had beaten two of the three BCS teams that they played?

If there is any rational bone in any of our bodies, if the teams were not our own and we were just choosing between A and B for bowl C, I think all of us would choose A given the available information. I think that's what you see from the commentators' comments listed in this thread.

Mosbonian · 12-04-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Wow, I posted something similar about Chiefs fans a couple of weeks ago and you told me I needed to be "checked". Make up your mind.

Are you talking about this one?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...17#post4349217

mmaddog
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Mosbonian · 12-04-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

You're a poopyhead."

That has never been in doubt.....

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

5' 9.25".

You might need to see your Urologist.....

mmaddog
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redbrian · 12-04-2007, 06:39 PM

I really don’t know why some MU fans are gripping and some KU fans are crowing.

The fact of the matter is KU is playing in a dog of a game that no one will be watching on Jan 3rd, while MU is playing in a much better match up on New Years day.

After KU gives all the money back to buy empty seats, MU comes out ahead on the money side.

And to top it off MU is favored while KU is the dog in its game.

Mosbonian · 12-04-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Exactly. The only thing KU can say is to potential recruits that we played in a BCS Bowl last year. I mean, how much is that really worth anyway?

-HH

Not much if you lose.....a whole lot if you win.

It's kinda one of those things....either you won real big or you lose real big.

mmaddog
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12-04-2007, 03:25 PM
MarcBulger Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Casino cash: $10004945	Views from around the Sports Nation on KU getting Orange Bowl over MU. Mike and Mike in the morning - "Both are saying that uk's selection over Mizzou going to the Orange Bowl is purely a joke. Associated Press - "Never mind that both of Missouri's losses were to Oklahoma, that the Tigers were two slots ahead of Kansas in the final BCS standings and beat the Jayhawks head-to-head on Nov. 24 to doom Kansas' national-title hopes." Lee Corso - "Did Missouri beat Kansas? Did they beat Illinois? Where are they going?...Something's wrong with the system." Kirk Herbstreit - "The Orange Bowl committee should be asked a question. Why Kansas over Missouri? They beat Kansas, were 11-1 in their last game and lost to what many say is the best team in the country." Ivan Maisel - "The Orange Bowl chose Kansas and its 11-1 record over 11-2 Missouri despite the Tigers' defeat of the Jayhawks a week ago. Kansas, like Ohio State, benefited by not playing on Saturday, when Missouri lost to Oklahoma, 38-17." Rivals.com poll - "The Tigers were left out of the BCS despite beating Kansas head-to-head for the Big 12 North title. Kansas, meanwhile, is going to the Orange Bowl." They're currently leading by a huge margin. http://collegefootball.rivals.com/copoll.asp?poll=69 Blair Kerkhoff - "In other words, Missouri would have profited from declining a spot in the Big 12 title game. Kansas, like Ohio State, gained by not extending its season, and that’s a serious flaw in the process. Risks should be rewarded, not penalized." MY Fav: "You can put the Orange Bowl with Kansas on Comedy Central, because it is a joke for them to be there." -- Pat Forde on ESPN this morning
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12-04-2007, 06:03 PM	#96
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1190300	Man....all this whining from both sides is starting to sound like the maternity ward at the local hospital. Fact #1- KU finished 11-1 and got picked to go to the Orange Bowl. Nothing we can do can change that so we need to get over it. To bitch at KU fans is worthless and full of needless venom. If they don't deserve to be there it will be shown by their play on the field. If they do then we need to congratulate them and move on. Fact #2- We have scoreboard in every fashion....Head-to-head, Ranking in all Polls...and wins over you the last 2 years. Legitimize all you want, but the fact is we are better than you in football this year. The rest of everything else spewed here is just childish drivel fueled by an attempt to see who can piss higher up the tree. mmaddog *******
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12-04-2007, 06:14 PM	#99
Zebedee DuBois Veteran Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: floating in a tin can Casino cash: $-1724801	Mr. Orange, and his wingman, Mr. Cotton needed dates for the ball. They met up with two good looking midwestern girls, a red head in a blue dress and a blonde in a black dress. Mr. Orange got to pick first and couldn't quite decide. The girls both looked great, the blonde might have had a little bigger bosom. For reasons unknown to us...perhaps the blonde had a bit of spinach in her teeth or had a case of halitosis, he decided the red head had a better personality and asked her to be his date. Mr. Cotton asked the blonde. The girls both accepted. The blonde then proceeded to whine and bitch about the red head. Mr. Cotton rolled his eyes. __________________ What am I even doing here?
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12-04-2007, 06:39 PM	#104
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	I really don’t know why some MU fans are gripping and some KU fans are crowing. The fact of the matter is KU is playing in a dog of a game that no one will be watching on Jan 3rd, while MU is playing in a much better match up on New Years day. After KU gives all the money back to buy empty seats, MU comes out ahead on the money side. And to top it off MU is favored while KU is the dog in its game.
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