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**cdcox** · 06:35 PM

WE DRAFT 4TH (25%) or 5 th (75%) PENDING THE OUTCOME OF TWO COIN FLIPS Details in thread.

I'm starting the 80th billionth thread on this subject. I'll keep the thread starter up to date so that people can see what is happening without wading through multiple threads.

If the Chiefs lose we will draft between the 3rd and 5th.

To get the 3rd we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND

An Oakland win

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TWO

{(A Denver Loss) -OR- ( a Coin Flip win)

To get the 4th we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING THREE OUTCOMES

(An Oakland win) -OR- (A Denver Loss) -OR- (TWO Coin Flip wins)

To get the 5th we need:

A Chiefs loss

If the Chiefs win we will draft between the 6th and 8th.

To get the 6th we need:

KC to win (blah)

Oakland to win AND
Baltimore to win AND
Minnesota to win AND
Indy to win

To get the 7th we need:

KC to win (blah)

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING 2:

(Wins by Baltimore and Indy) -OR- Oakland win

Otherwise a KC win causes us to draft 8th

**cdcox** · 12-30-2007, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Jets and Oakland have a better AFC record than the Chiefs and the Falcons have a better conference record than the Chiefs.

Why wouldn't the Chiefs pick 3rd?

See post #53

Coogs · 12-30-2007, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Asumming we don't win two coin tosses, we pick 5th in the first. When would we pick in the 2nd, 3rd?

If we pick 5th in the 1st, we would pick 4th in the 2nd, 3rd in the 3rd, 6th in the 4th, etc.

Lurch · 12-30-2007, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

Does anyone have a link to a legitimate media site showing we're dead locked into the 5th pick? There is a little ambiguity in the NFL tiebreak rules for draft picks, when you get to a 3-way tie and coin flips.

http://football.about.com/od/miscinf...draftorder.htm

Looks like it comes down to strength of schedule, if this is right...

Determining Order of Selection

• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft. • The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest. • The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage. • The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last. • Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage. • Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure. • As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage. • If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.

CupidStunt · 12-30-2007, 07:04 PM

I don't know what method anyone here is using, but from what I understand KC has the 4th pick in every round. The only tie-breaker that matters is strength of schedule; Oakland beats KC and KC beats New York.

I may be wrong.

Delano · 12-30-2007, 07:05 PM

When does this mythical coin toss take place?

Spott · 12-30-2007, 07:05 PM

KC, ATL and Oakland will all finish tied for the weakest strength of schedule regardless of tonight's game. The Jets have a tougher strength of schedule than all 3 of those teams and will pick 6th. I don't know what the tie breaker is for a 3 way tie like this.

El Jefe · 12-30-2007, 07:07 PM

On 101 the fox, Len Dawson just said we are a lock for 5th.

**cdcox** · 12-30-2007, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lj4mvp

I don't know what method anyone here is using, but from what I understand KC has the 4th pick in every round. The only tie-breaker that matters is strength of schedule; Oakland beats KC and KC beats New York.

I may be wrong.

See post 53.

HolmeZz · 12-30-2007, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano

When does this mythical coin toss take place?

Around the combine.

Coogs · 12-30-2007, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lj4mvp

I don't know what method anyone here is using, but from what I understand KC has the 4th pick in every round. The only tie-breaker that matters is strength of schedule; Oakland beats KC and KC beats New York.

I may be wrong.

In a tie, the teams rotate in the successive rounds. If we wind up 4th in the first, we would be 3rd in the 2nd, 6th in the 3rd, and so on.

BigRock · 12-30-2007, 07:09 PM

Why is it again that Oakland would beat us in a SOS tie? I know it's been said we have a better record against common opponents, but this description from CBS Sportsline doesn't even mention that as a factor...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

Quote:

If two teams have the same record, the strength of schedule tie-breaker is used which is the combined winning percentage of all teams on each team's schedule for the current season. If teams are still tied after strength of schedule has been applied, the division or conference tie breakers are used. If teams are still tied after applying all tiebreakers or if two teams are tied that are in different conferences, a coin toss after the season will determnined which team gets priority.

Spott · 12-30-2007, 07:09 PM

KC, Oak's and ATL's opponents are going to all have a winning pct of .515625.

The Jets sos will be .519531 if Tenn loses tonight and .523438 if Tenn wins.

**cdcox** · 12-30-2007, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ

On 101 the fox, Len Dawson just said we are a lock for 5th.

If that is true, the NFL doesn't really follow their published procedure.

Spott · 12-30-2007, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock

Why is it again that Oakland would beat us in a SOS tie? I know it's been said we have a better record against common opponents, but this description from CBS Sportsline doesn't even mention that as a factor...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

I think the common opponents tie breaker is only for divion and playoff seeding and isn't used for the draft, IIRC. We actually finished 3rd in the division because of the common opponent tiebreaker.

Edit* After reading the tie breaker procedures, it looks like we will draft 5th. We will also be playing Tenn at home next year and will be traveling to Cincinnati.

VonneMarie · 12-30-2007, 07:13 PM

Locally in KC Metro Sports said we're #4.

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12-30-2007, 07:04 PM	#94
CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $-666668	I don't know what method anyone here is using, but from what I understand KC has the 4th pick in every round. The only tie-breaker that matters is strength of schedule; Oakland beats KC and KC beats New York. I may be wrong.
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12-30-2007, 07:05 PM	#96
Spott Court Jester Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Orlando Casino cash: $-677600	KC, ATL and Oakland will all finish tied for the weakest strength of schedule regardless of tonight's game. The Jets have a tougher strength of schedule than all 3 of those teams and will pick 6th. I don't know what the tie breaker is for a 3 way tie like this.
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12-30-2007, 07:07 PM	#97
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12-30-2007, 07:09 PM	#102
Spott Court Jester Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Orlando Casino cash: $-677600	KC, Oak's and ATL's opponents are going to all have a winning pct of .515625. The Jets sos will be .519531 if Tenn loses tonight and .523438 if Tenn wins.
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12-30-2007, 07:13 PM	#105
VonneMarie Don't look over here Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10008987	Locally in KC Metro Sports said we're #4.
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