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Old 08-11-2008, 08:00 PM  
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Should the Chiefs have drafted Aaron Rodgers over Derrick Johnson?
Would we have been in a better position now???

Rodgers would have gotten to learn from Trent Green a few years....

Hmmmm....thoughts to ponder.



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Old 08-12-2008, 03:14 PM   #91
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To be a LB like Johnson to make his pick worth it he has to become Keith Bulluck and Bulluck right now is one of the very best OLB's in the league.
Oh, so if a LB is taken 15 he better grow to be the very best in the league. all others are failed picks. gotcha..



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Old 08-12-2008, 05:28 PM   #92
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LOL, you guys don't see the value in picks, LB is a devalued position unless the guy is a pass rusher. When you use pick 15 on a non pass rusher he has to be very very good to say he was worth the pick.

Keith Rivers is going to have to be a multi time pro bowler and defensive captain for his pick to be worth it.

And we'll see on that, Rivers was much better coached in college and is alot more polished entering the league than DJ was. Rivers is the best cover LB to come out in years...DJ had a faster 40, physical talent wise they compare, Rivers is more polished and ready because of the high level of coaching he received in college though. His results should come faster...I also think Rivers brings better intangibles.

And that's not saying Derrick Johnson is a shitty player because he's not, it's a relation on the value of position to pick.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:33 AM   #93
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Now is as good a time as any for a Bump!!

Rodgers was:

18-22, 193 yds
1 TD
3 Rush, 5 yds, 1 TD a few nights ago.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:35 AM   #94
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I missed this thread the first time.

My answer? Absolutely.

Regardless of whether or not Rodgers has success or fails.

The Chiefs franchise has an AWFUL history of passing on franchise QB's.

Need we name them?
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:37 AM   #95
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The Chiefs franchise has an AWFUL history of passing on franchise QB's.

Need we name them?
Not really. At least not in the Peterson era. We always drafted too high. Rodgers was the only 1st rounder that Carl passed on that might turn out to be something. Most never did anything.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:40 AM   #96
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Not really. At least not in the Peterson era. We always drafted too high. Rodgers was the only 1st rounder that Carl passed on that might turn out to be something. Most never did anything.
For some reason I think our fan base has devalued that position to an extent, or become overly comfortable in the "lets pick up a vet" mindset.

In some ways that's why I think so many people think Croyle will be fine and give it no 2nd thought the fan base really hasn't seen a QB fail miserably in such a long period of time.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:43 AM   #97
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For some reason I think our fan base has devalued that position to an extent, or become overly comfortable in the "lets pick up a vet" mindset.
I think your 100% right. Chiefs fans despise CP on one hand, yet openly crave the 7-10 win drug he has fed in our veins for 20 years.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:46 AM   #98
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Not really. At least not in the Peterson era. We always drafted too high. Rodgers was the only 1st rounder that Carl passed on that might turn out to be something. Most never did anything.
JFC, Man.

Montana? Deberg? Marino? Ken O'Brien? Drew Brees? Matt Hasselbeck? Tom Brady? David Garrard? Mark Brunell? ****, even Aaron Brooks?

The track record is HORRENDOUS.

Need I go on?

No offense, Bro, jfc!!!!!
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:51 AM   #99
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JFC, Man.

Montana? Deberg? Marino? Ken O'Brien? Drew Brees? Matt Hasselbeck? Tom Brady? David Garrard? Mark Brunell? ****, even Aaron Brooks?

The track record is HORRENDOUS.

Need I go on?

No offense, Bro, jfc!!!!!
I was only talking about first round guys. I cant hold it against the Chiefs too much for passing on guys like Hasselback, Brady, Garrard, etc....every team in the NFL passed on those guys.

But overall your right. Developing QB's is this franchise's weak point and IMO the #1 reason we havent been back to the Super Bowl in forever.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

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Our team in all honesty has never even tried to develop a QB..and now when they do it isn't a guy with the great pedigree or a "can't miss".

The Chiefs went from no risk to extremely risky...
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For some reason I think our fan base has devalued that position to an extent, or become overly comfortable in the "lets pick up a vet" mindset.
The fan base devalued it because the Chiefs devalued it.

Carl & Marty took a team that had only been to the playoffs once in 15 prior seasons to the playoffs in year two. They continued that streak until 1998 and in doing so, went through 8 starting veteran quarterbacks.

DeBerg, Pelluer, Kreig, Montana, Bono, Gannon and Grbac (and Gannon, again).

They "proved" to the Kansas City media, city and fans that QB's were disposable. It was all about defense (which they had) and running back (which they didn't have). The QB position was interchangeable.

Hence, 2008.
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The fan base devalued it because the Chiefs devalued it.

Carl & Marty took a team that had only been to the playoffs once in 15 prior seasons to the playoffs in year two. They continued that streak until 1998 and in doing so, went through 8 starting veteran quarterbacks.

DeBerg, Pelluer, Kreig, Montana, Bono, Gannon and Grbac (and Gannon, again).

They "proved" to the Kansas City media, city and fans that QB's were disposable. It was all about defense (which they had) and running back (which they didn't have). The QB position was interchangeable.

Hence, 2008.
And that approach will get you what it got them, playoff losses.
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And that approach will get you what it got them, playoff losses.

Exactly.

And that continued this decade with Trent Green.

But Chiefs fans, for the most part, just want to be a "part of it".

Carl Peterson knows this fanbase...
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Exactly.

And that continued this decade with Trent Green.

But Chiefs fans, for the most part, just want to be a "part of it".

Carl Peterson knows this fanbase...
Yea it's obvious hell it's rampant on this board how many times did we see posts like "atleast we aren't Arizona" or something like that?

If you aren't good enough to win the whole thing you lost just the same.
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Yea it's obvious hell it's rampant on this board how many times did we see posts like "atleast we aren't Arizona" or something like that?

If you aren't good enough to win the whole thing you lost just the same.
The problem is that Carl Peterson has somehow penetrated the fabric of Kansas City.

When the Chiefs lose on any given Sunday, the entire city mourns.

When they win, everybody's happy and looks forward to next weekend!!!

It wasn't like that before his arrival. Apathy was everywhere an no one cared. No "water cooler talk", no sports radio and certainly no national media coverage.

So in most people's minds, just getting to the playoffs was enough.

And it's still that way.
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