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Old 08-24-2008, 02:43 AM   #1
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For some reason I think our fan base has devalued that position to an extent, or become overly comfortable in the "lets pick up a vet" mindset.
I think your 100% right. Chiefs fans despise CP on one hand, yet openly crave the 7-10 win drug he has fed in our veins for 20 years.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:01 AM   #2
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For some reason I think our fan base has devalued that position to an extent, or become overly comfortable in the "lets pick up a vet" mindset.
The fan base devalued it because the Chiefs devalued it.

Carl & Marty took a team that had only been to the playoffs once in 15 prior seasons to the playoffs in year two. They continued that streak until 1998 and in doing so, went through 8 starting veteran quarterbacks.

DeBerg, Pelluer, Kreig, Montana, Bono, Gannon and Grbac (and Gannon, again).

They "proved" to the Kansas City media, city and fans that QB's were disposable. It was all about defense (which they had) and running back (which they didn't have). The QB position was interchangeable.

Hence, 2008.
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:03 AM   #3
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The fan base devalued it because the Chiefs devalued it.

Carl & Marty took a team that had only been to the playoffs once in 15 prior seasons to the playoffs in year two. They continued that streak until 1998 and in doing so, went through 8 starting veteran quarterbacks.

DeBerg, Pelluer, Kreig, Montana, Bono, Gannon and Grbac (and Gannon, again).

They "proved" to the Kansas City media, city and fans that QB's were disposable. It was all about defense (which they had) and running back (which they didn't have). The QB position was interchangeable.

Hence, 2008.
And that approach will get you what it got them, playoff losses.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:46 AM   #4
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Not really. At least not in the Peterson era. We always drafted too high. Rodgers was the only 1st rounder that Carl passed on that might turn out to be something. Most never did anything.
JFC, Man.

Montana? Deberg? Marino? Ken O'Brien? Drew Brees? Matt Hasselbeck? Tom Brady? David Garrard? Mark Brunell? ****, even Aaron Brooks?

The track record is HORRENDOUS.

Need I go on?

No offense, Bro, jfc!!!!!
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:51 AM   #5
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JFC, Man.

Montana? Deberg? Marino? Ken O'Brien? Drew Brees? Matt Hasselbeck? Tom Brady? David Garrard? Mark Brunell? ****, even Aaron Brooks?

The track record is HORRENDOUS.

Need I go on?

No offense, Bro, jfc!!!!!
I was only talking about first round guys. I cant hold it against the Chiefs too much for passing on guys like Hasselback, Brady, Garrard, etc....every team in the NFL passed on those guys.

But overall your right. Developing QB's is this franchise's weak point and IMO the #1 reason we havent been back to the Super Bowl in forever.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

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Old 08-24-2008, 02:52 AM   #6
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Our team in all honesty has never even tried to develop a QB..and now when they do it isn't a guy with the great pedigree or a "can't miss".

The Chiefs went from no risk to extremely risky...
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:14 AM   #7
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That kind of goes in line with a theory I have about numerous people being pissed off about rebuilding and would have rather just gone with the vet general Chiefs approach. I think like you said a good number of fans are happy to just be a part...but namely win 7 or 8 home games because it's a party day to drink beer all day and basically party it up.

Now with this approach they have taken that away, there will be no good time party every weekend and I think some fans who liked that part of the game and wanted things to stay like they were aren't happy about it.

That doesn't even count the people who fear what the 80s were so they're just happy to take their 7-9 wins.
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:39 AM   #8
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I just realized who Brodie Croyle is.

Hes former Brown QB Charlie Frye. A mid round talent guy beind sold as a QBoTF for a few years, but is basically just filling the slot until something better comes along.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 08-24-2008, 06:18 AM   #9
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The problem with this debate is that it takes coaching out of the equation.

When I look at DJ, I see a guy who, until this year, was playing out of position.

When I look at this defense, I see a group that is coordinated by a guy who is a terrible talent evaluator that seems to always find a way to put players in position to to miss plays.

If DJ had been drafted by the Tampa Bay Bucs, Monte Kiffen would have found a way to put DJ in position to succeed, to get the most out of his talent.

Jimmy Wilkerson is having an outstanding preseason right now for the Bucs, and because Kiffen knows what he's doing, I fully expect him to play at much that same level into the regular season.

I've always argued that ****her did more to contain DT than any offense ever did.
His sack numbers didn't really decrease, but his overall pressure wasn't as consistent, and his overall tackle numbers did decrease rather substantially.

Those a just a couple of examples.

But that is the kind of thing that ****her has done consistently.

Right now, I'm waiting to see what Chan does in the regualr season to really get a feel for Croyle's development, because other than that first drive in the first game, the Chiefs haven't really opened up the playbook, except for a couple of plays.
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Old 08-24-2008, 05:46 AM   #10
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No to Rodgers ... DJ is decent ...
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Rodgers is having a better Week 1 than DJ so far...

Damn.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Hell no, this board hates QBs not named Elway. If we just keep drafting olinemen, eventually we'll find a combination that makes Croyle look average. yeah, that's the ticket.....
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Hell no, this board hates QBs not named Elway. If we just keep drafting olinemen, eventually we'll find a combination that makes Croyle look average. yeah, that's the ticket.....
I've never seen the most important position the field get devalued like it does here.
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I've never seen the most important position the field get devalued like it does here.

True that.

Look at the Vikes, if they had a more accurate QB, they might be a more TRUE Super Bowl threat.
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