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Old 09-03-2008, 01:23 PM  
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:36 PM   #91
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Any other team in recent history go from the #1 offense to #31 offense in two years?
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:43 PM   #92
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:44 PM   #93
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:44 PM   #94
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I forgot about Norv. Although, he's had a little more success lately than our boy. We'll have to keep an eye on that race.

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Old 09-03-2008, 09:48 PM   #95
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Any other team in recent history go from the #1 offense to #31 offense in two years?
This is a very good question. Has this ever been done before? Stats nuts?
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:50 PM   #96
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It is Herm's fault for hiring him in the first place.
Making Solari the coordinator was the only way the Saunders offense was going to stay in KC. If Herm had come in and brought in somebody new to change the offense right off the bat, 88 and Rerun and all these guys would have marched on Arrowhead, poured gasoline on their bodies, and set themselves on fire in protest.

Actually, when I think about it that way, Herm definitely should have hired someone else.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:52 PM   #97
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Any other team in recent history go from the #1 offense to #31 offense in two years?
The Raiders went from #1 to #25 in one year. The Rams saw a pretty good drop-off for a while.

From #1-#31? probably not. But it's silly to act like Edwards the only factor.
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Making Solari the coordinator was the only way the Saunders offense was going to stay in KC. If Herm had come in and brought in somebody new to change the offense right off the bat, 88 and Rerun and all these guys would have marched on Arrowhead, poured gasoline on their bodies, and set themselves on fire in protest.

Actually, when I think about it that way, Herm definitely should have hired someone else.
If I remember right when Herm started a HC he was not allowed, by King Carl, to make any movements in the OC and DC positions.

I may be wrong but I think we owe alot of this to King Carl not so much to Herm when it comes to asst. coaches.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:54 PM   #99
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The Raiders went from #1 to #25 in one year. The Rams saw a pretty good drop-off for a while.

From #1-#31? probably not. But it's silly to act like Edwards the only factor.
Edwards isn't the only factor, but he is the main factor. Other teams suffer injuries and lose LOT's and linemen and they don't fall apart like KC did.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:02 PM   #100
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Other teams suffer injuries and lose LOTs and linemen and they dont fall apart like KC did.
Name some. Just name one. Name a team that had a highly ranked offense with a Pro Bowl QB and HOF left tackle, unexpectedly lost both those players the next season, and still maintained their production.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:03 PM   #101
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Edwards isn't the only factor, but he is the main factor. Other teams suffer injuries and lose LOT's and linemen and they don't fall apart like KC did.
IMO, age is the main factor.

I don't believe Edwards' main concern is building the #1 offense, no question. He's as much as said that. But for the first two years, he was basically forced to hold onto a flower that was dead on the vine. Factor his philosophy in with a bunch of players that are past their prime and it's a recipe for the precipitous drop that we had.

I'm not sure Edwards will ever be a great HC. I think his conservative style isn't going to work in today's NFL. But I also don't think he's anywhere close to the worst in the league, and I think looking at offensive ranking to make that argument, while ignoring all the other factors is stat cherry-picking at it's worst.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:14 PM   #102
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IMO, age is the main factor.

I don't believe Edwards' main concern is building the #1 offense, no question. He's as much as said that. But for the first two years, he was basically forced to hold onto a flower that was dead on the vine. Factor his philosophy in with a bunch of players that are past their prime and it's a recipe for the precipitous drop that we had.

I'm not sure Edwards will ever be a great HC. I think his conservative style isn't going to work in today's NFL. But I also don't think he's anywhere close to the worst in the league, and I think looking at offensive ranking to make that argument, while ignoring all the other factors is stat cherry-picking at it's worst.
Excellent point there, Mr. jspchief. There's a whole lotta lumpin' goin' on.

All too often, peeps tend to point to one factor or event as the cornerstone of our demise. It wasn't. A perfect storm of sh*t hit the Chiefs. If anything, you have to look at Admiral Carl Peterson who is the one constant through the last 20 years of this miserable journey through the backwaters of the league. It is, after all, his responsibility to look beyond the head coach du jour to ensure that we have talent in the queue. Since, in the end, it's talent on the field that makes the difference. I remain convinced that we have proven to be hapless at the job of developing young players into a fleet of NFL-caliber contributors. Add one of the worst drafting records in history and your battleship is eventually sunk and collecting barnacles (and those creepy sponge things that are really animals) at the bottom.

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Old 09-03-2008, 10:28 PM   #103
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Worst coach......Herm's in the mix, it's with guys like Nolan, Whisenhunt, Lane Kiffin I think those are probably the bottom 4.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:41 PM   #104
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Worst coach......Herm's in the mix, it's with guys like Nolan, Whisenhunt, Lane Kiffin I think those are probably the bottom 4.
You just don't like Whisenhunt because he isn't fellating your boy from USC.
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