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Fat Elvis · 12-01-2008, 09:35 AM

What impact does having falling from #2 to #5 have on our draft?

duncan_idaho · 12-01-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, the Broncos were really screwed by picking 12th, weren't they?

Clady and Royal really suck...

You bring up a good point, IMO. The key thing is making the picks count - especially the first two. Getting two great players with those selections is more important than what position they play.

I would flip at Smith/Davis in rnds. 1/2.

Or Mays/Davis.

Or Maualuga/Johnson.

Or Smith/Spikes.

Also, if the Chiefs are picking at 5-6, and you're debating between Smith, a MLB and Taylor Mays, it's going to make the strict positional value guys' heads explode. Do you take Smith, knowing that means you either move the LT you drafted No. 16 to G or play Smith at RT? Or do you take a LB who is very good but not exceptional? Or a safety, a rare, rare top 10 pick?

I think we could see a situation where the Chiefs benefit from the draft being so tackle heavy, if the Chiefs are at No.5/6. If it gets to the Chiefs' pick with one of the three franchise-type tackles still on the board, teams like the 49ers, Texans and Packers are all in range to trade up and all are teams that could use a franchise LT.

In that situation, say you move down to 11/12 and still are able to grab either Maualuga or Mays while picking up whatever the move from No. 11/12 to No. 6 is worth (second-round pick? I'm too lazy to look it up and do the math). Four picks in the first three rounds always is nice, if you can pull it off without getting screwed...

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 01:47 PM

Ok EVERYONE here hated Ryan Clady, no one gets any points for that one.

And yes I think Taylor Mays will be one of the best players from the draft, but if we took him the board would meltdown.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-01-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And yes I think Taylor Mays will be one of the best players from the draft, but if we took him the board would meltdown.

Why?

Because everyone's so in love with Page?

If Mays could be 80% of Sean Taylor, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Chief Faithful · 12-01-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok EVERYONE here hated Ryan Clady, no one gets any points for that one.

I remember most people thinking Clady was a good LT pick, but they didn't think he was good value for 5th overall. He sure has looked good in Denver.

Fat Elvis · 12-01-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You bring up a good point, IMO. The key thing is making the picks count - especially the first two. Getting two great players with those selections is more important than what position they play.

I would flip at Smith/Davis in rnds. 1/2.

Or Mays/Davis.

Or Maualuga/Johnson.

Or Smith/Spikes.

Also, if the Chiefs are picking at 5-6, and you're debating between Smith, a MLB and Taylor Mays, it's going to make the strict positional value guys' heads explode. Do you take Smith, knowing that means you either move the LT you drafted No. 16 to G or play Smith at RT? Or do you take a LB who is very good but not exceptional? Or a safety, a rare, rare top 10 pick?

I think we could see a situation where the Chiefs benefit from the draft being so tackle heavy, if the Chiefs are at No.5/6. If it gets to the Chiefs' pick with one of the three franchise-type tackles still on the board, teams like the 49ers, Texans and Packers are all in range to trade up and all are teams that could use a franchise LT.

In that situation, say you move down to 11/12 and still are able to grab either Maualuga or Mays while picking up whatever the move from No. 11/12 to No. 6 is worth (second-round pick? I'm too lazy to look it up and do the math). Four picks in the first three rounds always is nice, if you can pull it off without getting screwed...

I know that I am in the minority, but if you have a franchise tackle available when you pick, you take them. Smith and Oher are both big enough that they can play RT; they would make impenetrable bookends with Alberts (and if he should get hurt, you don't have a dropoff on the left side). Arena-ball scoring starts with your O-Line. Even Croyle could shine behind that line....

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why?

Because everyone's so in love with Page?

If Mays could be 80% of Sean Taylor, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Because he has a S next to his name....in the NFL you could probably play him at SS he has great size but he can do either. Now someone will flip out that he doesn't have great stats because all he's asked to do at SC is play the deep middle, he's asked to not give up big plays and be the deep cover guy which he does a very good job at.

RedThat · 12-01-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You bring up a good point, IMO. The key thing is making the picks count - especially the first two. Getting two great players with those selections is more important than what position they play.

I would flip at Smith/Davis in rnds. 1/2.

Or Mays/Davis.

Or Maualuga/Johnson.

Or Smith/Spikes.

Also, if the Chiefs are picking at 5-6, and you're debating between Smith, a MLB and Taylor Mays, it's going to make the strict positional value guys' heads explode. Do you take Smith, knowing that means you either move the LT you drafted No. 16 to G or play Smith at RT? Or do you take a LB who is very good but not exceptional? Or a safety, a rare, rare top 10 pick?

I think we could see a situation where the Chiefs benefit from the draft being so tackle heavy, if the Chiefs are at No.5/6. If it gets to the Chiefs' pick with one of the three franchise-type tackles still on the board, teams like the 49ers, Texans and Packers are all in range to trade up and all are teams that could use a franchise LT.

In that situation, say you move down to 11/12 and still are able to grab either Maualuga or Mays while picking up whatever the move from No. 11/12 to No. 6 is worth (second-round pick? I'm too lazy to look it up and do the math). Four picks in the first three rounds always is nice, if you can pull it off without getting screwed...

I'd like to see the Chiefs trade down. honestly, Id be really happy if the Chiefs trade down. If they are picking 5th or 6th and one of the top lineman is there in Smith or Oher, and one of those teams you mentioned wants to trade up, I'd be glad if they do it. Mainly, because Im a firm believer that not only 1 guy is gonna help improve your team rather drafting well overall will. And given the circumstances and situation of this team in knowing they have many holes to fill, trading down and stocking piling on picks would be a wise option. The Chiefs could still stockpile on picks and still get a good prospect picking at 11th or 12th?

Brock · 12-01-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Because he has a S next to his name....in the NFL you could probably play him at SS he has great size but he can do either. Now someone will flip out that he doesn't have great stats because all he's asked to do at SC is play the deep middle, he's asked to not give up big plays and be the deep cover guy which he does a very good job at.

You've mentioned it several times, and I have yet to see anyone have much reaction to it at all. There are those who are going to "flip out" no matter who's picked, you yourself have done it more than once.

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 01:56 PM

And now we're back to all the trade down talk....if we're picking 5th or 6th I'm on the Mays wagon.

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You've mentioned it several times, and I have yet to see anyone have much reaction to it at all. There are those who are going to "flip out" no matter who's picked, you yourself have done it more than once.

It'll happen as the draft gets closer...."where are his INT's"

evolve27 · 12-01-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I know that I am in the minority, but if you have a franchise tackle available when you pick, you take them. Smith and Oher are both big enough that they can play RT; they would make impenetrable bookends with Alberts (and if he should get hurt, you don't have a dropoff on the left side). Arena-ball scoring starts with your O-Line. Even Croyle could shine behind that line....

I agree we go after these guys two guys and add in Eugene Monroe. D-Mac is past prime and could be a backup. We couldn't potentially screw this up if we go O-line I believe.

RedThat · 12-01-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And now we're back to all the trade down talk....if we're picking 5th or 6th I'm on the Mays wagon.

Do you really think Mays will go that high? I could see him in the 1st round, but top 10 or 5?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-01-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Because he has a S next to his name....in the NFL you could probably play him at SS he has great size but he can do either. Now someone will flip out that he doesn't have great stats because all he's asked to do at SC is play the deep middle, he's asked to not give up big plays and be the deep cover guy which he does a very good job at.

Well, those people are idiots.

Polamalu and Taylor made a huge impact on their respective defenses.

If he's the BAA when the Chiefs pick, he should be chosen.

Mecca · 12-01-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Do you really think Mays will go that high? I could see him in the 1st round, but top 10 or 5?

When he measures in at 6'3 230lbs and has a 40 time that is sub 4.4 someone will completely fall in love.

Not to mention he has 3 years of starting experience in a pro style defense and is very good in coverage. When you see that SC never gets beat deep, he's why alot of times he's asked to cover that by himself, the amount of field he's asked to cover is ridiculous yet he does it.

**the Talking Can** · 12-01-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And now we're back to all the trade down talk....if we're picking 5th or 6th I'm on the Mays wagon.

i'm getting there...DE is a more valuable position, but Mays is a better player than any DE available...i think, but i haven't watched the DEs much so...

I think Mays is a probowler...he looks like a freak flying around the usc defense

not sure orakpo is

that's the question...

if we got Mays/Spikes I'd be pretty stoked even though we'd still have a tragedy at the DE position...

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