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Old 04-27-2013, 11:33 PM  
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we have 2"franchise" LTs
so what the **** do we do with them

train fisher and trade albert?

any bright ideas
and if Q FAQ
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:38 PM   #91
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Just makes zero ****ing sense unless you are in some sort of desperate win now mode.
The offseason moves tell me that's exactly what they're doing.
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:40 PM   #92
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I understand and we are with the exception of Brandon Albert.

It's a unique and temporary situation

People are still pissed about taking an OT and 1.1 and it's making them adamant about Fisher being at LT 'no matter what the cost,dammit'. Putting Fisher at RT for even a single snap makes them even more angry about the pick.

get over it
Your post, however, was directed at a guy (AC) that has always argued that Albert is just an average LT, so I highly doubt that he is reacting to it, and forwarding a plan out of any anger because we took a LT at 1.1.

As for me, I don't like the Fisher pick, but the deed is done, and now my only consideration is to do what I consider will maximize the value of the pick long term.
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:42 PM   #93
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A rookie? yes, like this is some 4th round nobody... IT'S THE #1 PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. You start him at LT and unless he busts horribly you keep him there.

I hope to God our team isn't as ****ing stupid as the Cowboys...
So because one player struggled to make the switch, all players will do so.

Great logic.

Nate Solder switched from RT to LT and did just fine.

This is just an extension of your vendetta against Branden Albert.

Remember: he allowed less pressure than Duane Brown the last two seasons.

That must really stick in your craw.
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:42 PM   #94
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one stupid post in response to another stupid post

Your petulant and idiotic declaration that this year basically doesn't matter because Alex Smith sucks is beyond 'dumbass'.
No you need to put down your drink and read my posts again. You are channeling some serious stupid right now.

I am not saying Alex Smith sucks or this year doesn't matter. I am saying that taking a myopic "win now" attitude is reeruned as opposed to doing what is best for the team for many years to come. I am saying that if you were one of the people who bitched about Alex Smith and wanted to draft a QB of our own... then you would be a hypocrite to not treat the Oline in a similar fashion.

Following along now?
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:42 PM   #95
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of course Reid and Dorsey are trying to win now.

They believe Alex Smith can win in the NFL or they wouldn't of given 2 valuable draft picks for him.

Even if Alex Smith isn't a franchise type QB, they think he is a playoff type QB and Albert at LT and Fisher at RT is the best chance to succeed and get to the playoffs this year.
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We need to keep Albert at LT, dumbasses.

No way I want a rookie protecting Alex Smith's blindside.

We need to go with the established veteran who has allowed less pressure than Duane Brown the last two seasons. You can't pay enough for that kind of quality protection.
Don't care.

If we are going to build a dominant line, and we want to maximize it's potential as quickly as we can, you start the rookie LT day one at LT.

Who the hell cares if mediocre game manager gets killed in the development process?
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:45 PM   #97
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Your post, however, was directed at a guy (AC) that has always argued that Albert is just an average LT, so I highly doubt that he is reacting to it, and forwarding a plan out of any anger because we took a LT at 1.1.

As for me, I don't like the Fisher pick, but the deed is done, and now my only consideration is to do what I consider will maximize the value of the pick long term.
Just to be clear I have said he is just an ABOVE average guy.. 10-15 range which I adjusted to 8-12 range after last year.

I am pissed that this draft class sucked but I am fine with the pick. There simply wasn't anyone else to pick there.. no matter how much I wish that wasn't true doesn't change the facts.

All of that said, I firmly believe Fisher can be a beast at LT for us for years to come
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of course Reid and Dorsey are trying to win now.

They believe Alex Smith can win in the NFL or they wouldn't of given 2 valuable draft picks for him.

Even if Alex Smith isn't a franchise type QB, they think he is a playoff type QB and Albert at LT and Fisher at RT is the best chance to succeed and get to the playoffs this year.
I'm sure they believe they can win now but I doubt they will do so to the detriment of the future of this team. Playing your LTOTF out of position for a year is not a good idea for the future.

Now I could be wrong and Fisher could be even better than I think he is and simply GODLIKE in his ability to adjust and such... if so it still hurts the cohesion of the line to reshuffle next year but it won't be terrible.

Fact is, we would be MUCH better served to get a real RT like Clabo and not have to play anyone out of position. Period.
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No you need to put down your drink and read my posts again. You are channeling some serious stupid right now.

I am not saying Alex Smith sucks or this year doesn't matter. I am saying that taking a myopic "win now" attitude is reeruned as opposed to doing what is best for the team for many years to come. I am saying that if you were one of the people who bitched about Alex Smith and wanted to draft a QB of our own... then you would be a hypocrite to not treat the Oline in a similar fashion.

Following along now?
basically you are

creating drama by moving Albert
putting a rookie at left tackle

both things weaken the Oline, team and give Alex Smith less of a chance to get off to a good start and succeeding this year. All because you think playing right tackle for a single season might hinder Fisher's development.

nah, if you want to win this year then you put Fisher and RT for a year and then make your moves next year. Fisher will have plenty of time next offseason and training camp to 'switch hands'

now if you want to argue that Albert isn't very good(like MM suggests) then that's an entirely different discussion.
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Don't care.

If we are going to build a dominant line, and we want to maximize it's potential as quickly as we can, you start the rookie LT day one at LT.

Who the hell cares if mediocre game manager gets killed in the development process?
Exactly. I'm much more concerned about a LT that I know will be here for many years over a QB who could flame out in one.
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Fact is, we would be MUCH better served to get a real RT like Clabo and not have to play anyone out of position. Period.
They probably would have if a team thought Albert was worth big money and a draft pick.

apparently they don't, so we have to move on


just like the people who didn't like trading for Alex Smith have to 'move on'
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Don't care.

If we are going to build a dominant line, and we want to maximize it's potential as quickly as we can, you start the rookie LT day one at LT.

Who the hell cares if mediocre game manager gets killed in the development process?
once again ... the anger about Alex Smith is influencing other things.

the goal is not building a dominant line ... it's a means to a end.

best Oline for offensive success THIS year is Albert at LT.
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basically you are

creating drama by moving Albert
putting a rookie at left tackle

both things weaken the Oline, team and give Alex Smith less of a chance to get off to a good start and succeeding this year. All because you think playing right tackle for a single season might hinder Fisher's development.

nah, if you want to win this year then you put Fisher and RT for a year and then make your moves next year. Fisher will have plenty of time next offseason and training camp to 'switch hands'

now if you want to argue that Albert isn't very good(like MM suggests) then that's an entirely different discussion.
Albert is very good. Exactly... very good... not great. Solidly above average. I doubt that Fisher will present much of a dropoff if any in his rookie season playing LT.

As for DRAMA? What is this a ****ing knitting circle? Who the **** cares about DRAMA???

And it's not just my opinion on switching sides at the NFL level... Schwartz and Schlereth have both said it is a complete bitch to do. I have no clue if it will screw Fisher up but it certainly carries that risk. No matter what it sets him back a year in his development at LT and it sets the line's cohesion back a year... for WHAT GAIN? To protect Alex Smith? One thing Alex Smith HAS proven in his career is that he can handle adversity. He's the least of my worries.
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They probably would have if a team thought Albert was worth big money and a draft pick.

apparently they don't, so we have to move on


just like the people who didn't like trading for Alex Smith have to 'move on'
Except we aren't "stuck" with Albert. We can STILL trade him or better yet convince him to play LG. Signing him long term at LG solves everything.
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I doubt that Fisher will present much of a dropoff if any in his rookie season playing LT.
Fisher is not going to allow total pressure of 17 this year.

He'd be a rookie of the year candidate if he did that.

I'm guessing he gives up at least 17 pressures and probably 3-4 sacks.

And that's being optimistic.

Expectations are way too high.
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