***Official 2023 STL Cardinals Thread ***

[BigRedChief]

2023 thread. Walker makes the roster. I'll update the rosters and opening day lineup when its official

2023 Opening Day Lineup

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Donovan 2B
Nootbar RF
Goldschmidt 1B
Arenado 3B
Wilson Contreras C
Tyler O'Neill LF
Gorman DH
Jordan Walker RF
Tommy Edman SS

2022 Opening Day roster.

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The Cardinals anticipated 26-player Opening Day roster projects as follows, but will not become official until Thursday, March 30:
PITCHERS (13): Jack Flaherty-RHP, Giovanny Gallegos-RHP, Ryan Helsley-RHP, Jordan Hicks-RHP, Steven Matz-LHP, Miles Mikolas-RHP, Jordan Montgomery-LHP, Packy Naughton-LHP, Andre Pallante-RHP, Chris Stratton-RHP, Zack Thompson-LHP, Drew VerHagen-RHP, and Jake Woodford-RHP;
CATCHERS (2): Willson Contreras and Andrew Knizner;
INFIELDERS (6): Nolan Arenado, Brendan Donovan, Tommy Edman, Paul Goldschmidt, Nolan Gorman and Taylor Motter;
OUTFIELDERS (5): Alec Burleson, Dylan Carlson, Lars Nootbaar, Tyler O’Neill and Jordan Walker;
INJURED LIST (3): Paul DeJong-INF, Wilking Rodríguez-RHP, Adam Wainwright-RHP.

For the new Cardinal fans that joined the Planet since last year, here are some of the historical threads going back to 2006.

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2022 thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...8#post16877588
2021 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=337124
2020 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=329273
2019 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320239
2018 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812
2012 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=254619
etc.
All the way back to 2006 WS
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812

['Hamas' Jenkins]

24 yo and has never thrown a AA pitch? That dude is a jabrone. At least DeJong is gone.

[DJ's left nut]

We should assign him to Memphis.

He's 24 yrs old. Shit or get off the pot. Evidently throws in the mid/upper 90s with a sinking fastball. See if it plays against advanced hitters.

Give him this year to test him, start him in AAA next year and by next summer you'll know if he's remotely relevant. I think has one more year before he has to be on the 40 so get that figured out now.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

24 yo and has never thrown a AA pitch? That dude is a jabrone. At least DeJong is gone.

Eh, he's worth taking a look at. Yeah, he's 24 and hasn't been pitched in AA yet (presume he'll be in Springfield), but seems to be interesting enough to at least a flyer on.

He'd probably be a year or 2 away from contributing as a reliever (if he developed into being worth a shit). His #s this year are solid. 2021 #s were as well. Appeared to not be great last year and looks like he was converted from a starter to exclusively a reliever this year.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We should assign him to Memphis.

He's 24 yrs old. Shit or get off the pot. Evidently throws in the mid/upper 90s with a sinking fastball. See if it plays against advanced hitters.

Give him this year to test him, start him in AAA next year and by next summer you'll know if he's remotely relevant. I think has one more year before he has to be on the 40 so get that figured out now.

Cards announced he is going to Springvegas

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Cards announced he is going to Springvegas

{fartnoise}

Alright, well I guess I hope he dominates and starts next year at AAA.

If he's not under consideration for a spot on the 25 man next year at some point, he's probably not worth keeping around. He's 25 yrs old next season so the clock is ticking on him.

But the stuff is at least a little intriguing and he's clearly gotten a lot better than he was in college. So to see him on an upward arc is a good sign. You just need to have a REALLY steep development curve for someone in his mid-20s who's not broken through yet.

[Marco Polo]

https://twitter.com/baseballvalues/s...FhE9EI8-mwfI1A

I'm an idiot. How do I post a link from Twitter/X?

[Rams Fan]

Still have skepticism until/unless they trade or extend Flaherty, but am fairly content with the moves Mozeliak has done so far:

-Moved Cabrera for SOMETHING (even if the return is for guys who may never make it to MLB)
-Decent returns for Montgomery, Stratton, and Hicks, with a potential for 2 young pitchers to be starters in Robberse and Roby as well as a possibility at a useful infielder guy in Saggese
-Shipped DeJong for something to make room for Winn

If Flaherty is traded, I can't really be upset with how the deadline has gone given the team, but what they do in the off-season will make me reconsider my position.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

{fartnoise}

Alright, well I guess I hope he dominates and starts next year at AAA.

If he's not under consideration for a spot on the 25 man next year at some point, he's probably not worth keeping around. He's 25 yrs old next season so the clock is ticking on him.

But the stuff is at least a little intriguing and he's clearly gotten a lot better than he was in college. So to see him on an upward arc is a good sign. You just need to have a REALLY steep development curve for someone in his mid-20s who's not broken through yet.

Not expecting much from him, but it's not impossible or unheard of for relievers to debut at 25 and be acceptable.

Gallegos was 25 when he debuted with the Yankees. If Svanson came close to being like Gallegos, I'd consider that a win.

[Marco Polo]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Still have skepticism until/unless they trade or extend Flaherty, but am fairly content with the moves Mozeliak has done so far:

-Moved Cabrera for SOMETHING (even if the return is for guys who may never make it to MLB)
-Decent returns for Montgomery, Stratton, and Hicks, with a potential for 2 young pitchers to be starters in Robberse and Roby as well as a possibility at a useful infielder guy in Saggese
-Shipped DeJong for something to make room for Winn

If Flaherty is traded, I can't really be upset with how the deadline has gone given the team, but what they do in the off-season will make me reconsider my position.

If they don't trade Flaherty, they'll give a QO so best case, he accepts it and he's back another year and is a band-aid for another needed SP; worst case, he rejects it, signs elsewhere, and we get a comp pick for him. I'm more concerned with the logjam at OF, IF, and C.

[KC_Connection]

blue jays showing up to the register for the third time this week, paul dejong in tow, embarrassed to be seen at the cardinals store so often

TOR: you're not gonna believe this but another player got hurt, so we're back, again

STL: sir I don't need a story, just send prospects

— The Chorker (@cdgoldstein) August 1, 2023

[ChiefsCountry]

Teams are calling on Cardinals OF Dylan Carlson (and other STL outfielders) but they are unlikely to move him unless they get a young MLB starting pitcher back.

— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) August 1, 2023

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

If they don't trade Flaherty, they'll give a QO so best case, he accepts it and he's back another year and is a band-aid for another needed SP; worst case, he rejects it, signs elsewhere, and we get a comp pick for him. I'm more concerned with the logjam at OF, IF, and C.

There's no logjam at C. Knizer shouldn't be there and let Herrera handle 60%ish of the load with Contreras having the other 40% with some DH time.

IF isn't really a problem with DeJong gone, though Edman should probably be moved to make room for Winn or acquiring a pitcher.

OF needs to be revamped as only one guy there right now can be counted on consistently on offense and defense in Nootbar, while Carlson can't hit lefties, TON is hurt, and Walker shouldn't be in the OF.

I'd move Burleson and bring someone in who can platoon with Carlson or Walker.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

https://twitter.com/baseballvalues/s...FhE9EI8-mwfI1A

I'm an idiot. How do I post a link from Twitter/X?

Today the #BlueJays reportedly acquired SS Paul DeJong (-$2.5M median trade value) and cash (unknown) from the #STLCards in exchange for RHP Matt Svanson ($0.1M).

The deal is tentatively accepted by our model, pending the cash amount.

— Baseball Trade Values (@BaseballValues) August 1, 2023

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Still have skepticism until/unless they trade or extend Flaherty, but am fairly content with the moves Mozeliak has done so far:

-Moved Cabrera for SOMETHING (even if the return is for guys who may never make it to MLB)
-Decent returns for Montgomery, Stratton, and Hicks, with a potential for 2 young pitchers to be starters in Robberse and Roby as well as a possibility at a useful infielder guy in Saggese
-Shipped DeJong for something to make room for Winn

If Flaherty is traded, I can't really be upset with how the deadline has gone given the team, but what they do in the off-season will make me reconsider my position.

I'd have kept Cabrera. We got precisely dick for him and he's been very good in Toronto. Y'know, because he's a lefty with ferocious stuff who's gotten jerked around every year here.

We got some never will be late-round catch and throw catcher who last I checked was batting below .200 in A ball for him. That kids gonna be out of baseball in 24 months. We should've kept Genesis. A major league coaching staff's JOB is to turn guys that throw 98 mph with the wrong arm into viable contributors. The organization failed Genesis in a big way.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Won't be considered a Top 30 prospect for Cardinals; wasn't on the list for Blue Jays. 1.23 ERA, 2.55 FIP, and as you said, has a K/9 of 11.05. Depth in AA and roll the dice and see what happens. This is more about getting Winn an opportunity than anything.

I agree they need to clear a spot for Wynn. What is the date if they call him up that it doesn’t start his 6 years of control?

Sounds better than the bag of sunflower seeds I was willing to accept.