Green = Grbac?

[The Rick]

According to Jeffrey Flanagan he does...statistically anyway.

Uh-oh! Grbac and Green have eerily similar statistics

JEFFREY FLANAGAN

Perhaps Elvis Grbac never really left the building.

Elvis Grbac is Trent Green.

Seriously, their statistics are frighteningly similar — virtually identical in some areas.

• Grbac was here four years and was 26-22 as a starter. Green is in his fourth year and is 30-29 as a starter.

• Both quarterbacks started one playoff game here, both losses. Grbac had a 94.4 passer rating in his loss; Green had a 92.6 passer rating in his loss.

• Grbac threw for a touchdown once in every 23.45 passes here. Green has thrown for a touchdown once in every 23.02 passes.

• Grbac threw an interception once in every 32 passes. Green has thrown an interception once in every 32 passes.

• Grbac completed 58 percent of his passes here. Green has completed 61 percent of his passes.

• Green's cumulative numbers for touchdowns and yards are higher than Grbac's, simply because he has played more games. Green averages 7.7 yards per attempt, Grbac 6.9.

One can easily argue that Green has had more weapons, too. Grbac didn't have Priest Holmes or what some say is the league's best offensive line.

Grbac also didn't benefit from the imaginative play-calling of Al Saunders. Grbac was stuck with Paul Hackett and Jimmy Raye.

There is one other striking similarity. Both quarterbacks have a signature end-of-the-game play.

For Grbac, it was throwing the ball 15 yards short of the first down, hoping the receiver could miraculously break 20 tackles to keep the drive alive. For Green, it's taking a sack.

We will allow Green this much: He's never taken a cheap shot at his receivers, like Grbac did.

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People still refer to NFL schedules as “soft” or “hard,” when in reality it's been years since each divisional team's schedule fluctuated much.

For example, the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders and Chargers all play the same opponents, except for two.

This year, the Chiefs, based on winning the AFC West last year, had to play the champs of the AFC East (New England) and the AFC North (Baltimore). It just so happens that those two teams have a combined 17-5 record.

The Raiders drew Pittsburgh and Buffalo, who are a combined 15-7.

The Broncos drew Miami and Cincinnati, both having disappointing years while combining for a 7-15 mark.

The Chargers had the Browns and Jets, who are a combined 11-11.

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Former Chief Nick Lowery didn't make the recent cutdown from 90 to 25 in the voting for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and that doesn't sit well with those who appreciate the skill of kicking in the NFL.

The Hall of Fame has just one kicker inducted — Jan Stenerud — and zero punters, not even Ray Guy.

Lowery finished his career with 383 field goals, third most in NFL history behind Gary Anderson (533) and Morten Andersen (515).

The best kicker in the game today, New England's Adam Vinatieri, strongly believes it's time that kickers and punters start literally kicking down the doors of the Hall.

“Guy should be in there,” Vinatieri told the Boston Globe. “Lowery should be in there. Both the Andersons (sic) should be, too. You play over 20 years and score 2,000 points and there's no place for you in the Hall of Fame? Maybe in the back somewhere? Come on, now.”

To reach Jeffrey Flanagan call (816) 234-4492 and leave a message or email jflanagan@kcstar.com

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[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Green should be given a little slack here. Sure, he did throw the pick against SD. That was a forced throw, no doubt. But in other games, he was sacked by a 3 man rush. Tell me, how the fark do 3 guys beat 5 guys? That isn't supposed to happen. And in some of those, Trent had very little time.

i know... but he's still had the ball in his hands at the end of a game with plenty of time to win the game.



we are talking bottomline here


(btw - i hate the play we called in several of those situations. we send all the receivers out in short buttonhook pass patterns. if a DB doesnt slip or play way off we are screwed with very few options. seems to me we ran the same stinking play on 4th down both times)

[ChiefsCountry]

Grbac and Green have 5 main things in common - They played in the Big 10, both drafted in 1993 8th Round, both were career backups, both were starting quarterbacks for Chiefs, and both played for teams with San in it. Green might not be as talented but he makes up for with smarts, leadership, and taking one for the team. Like that block against Buffalo last year. That is something Grbac never would do.

Grbac = ( v )

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'll take 'mediocre' over embarassing and aspiring to mediocrity any day.

This team has NEVER been as embarassing as the team that took the field against the Broncos in 1998. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

[Clint in Wichita]

It may have (should have) been posted already, but one huge difference between Grbitch and Green was this:


When Grbac was on the sidelines, he was able to watch a fairly effective defense perform.

When Green is on the sidelines, he gets to watch a bunch of little girl mongoloids with A.D.D. perform.

[Eleazar]

Gannon couldn't hold Green's jock

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

We did, his name is Mike Maslowski. Lots of heart, lots of character, making the most of his abilities, never been in an important game.

A good QB has the "intangables."

I don't think any other position allows a lack of talent to be overcome like QB. Montana, and now Brady, don't do anything flashy, they just win. Of course, you have to remember they both had more than ample support from the rest of their team, but they just get it done.

One of Deberg's intangables was toughness. He'd get his $#it RUINED and slowly climb back up and go on. Or playing with that broken wee-finger in a bloody cast. It rubbed off.

I think last year Green's toughness rubbed off. But now we're in a funk, a team funk, and that has permiated everything. The funk has rubbed off on damned near everyone. It's going to take a big infusion to change that. New players, a few new coaches, and a good draft. People who weren't infected by the funk of this year.

It took me a long time to warm up to Green and DV but they've proven themselves to me.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

ah, I remember this from our delightful Grbackup v. Gannon discussions...

what you are forgetting is that guts and grit are NOT merely 'intangibles' as they are visable physically. Describing a guy as having guts when he's scrambling to avoid a sack after suffering a near career ending knee injury is not merely window dressing verbiage, it's REAL and visable and tangible. It takes some serious stones to put yourself on the line knowing your career, indeed your ability to walk normally, may be impacted if re-injured.

Same with grit. He apparently took a helluva hit on Sunday but dragged his aching arse off the ground and stood in to take another. I imagine he'll be in on Sunday as well.

At one point didn't Grbackup sit because his manicure got chipped??? j/k but he was much more fraile and fragile than Green. No one would have described him as having guts or grit...except maybe the deer he'd take shots at.

And the difference between manicure and guts has equalled what? That someone feels good about one QB and not the other? Who cares? Honestly, the People Magazine crowd may be interested, I am not as I only care about the team winning - not how gutsy they are.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

BL,

you haven't answered my question.

What, SPECIFICALLY, has King Carl done to HELP Green succeed. What has DV done? And would you not agree that DV is a puzz for bringing the guy here only to back down to Carl and NOT get him what he needs?

Holmes, Gonzalez, and Richardson as well as the Oline are not assets?

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

It may have (should have) been posted already, but one huge difference between Grbitch and Green was this:


When Grbac was on the sidelines, he was able to watch a fairly effective defense perform.

When Green is on the sidelines, he gets to watch a bunch of little girl mongoloids with A.D.D. perform.

And when Grbac was in the game he didn't have Priest Holmes

[Valiant]

Actually if anything Grbac more resembles plummer...

[Wile_E_Coyote]

how is this season more embarrassing than picking up the KC Star & reading about drug deals & stolen cars, picking up undercover cops as hookers, ramming into your wife's SUV with your child inside it, Monday Night Football meltdowns or bouncing bad checks & child support going unpaid on a multi-million dollar salary? Those are the ones I can remember

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

how is this season more embarrassing than picking up the KC Star & reading about drug deals & stolen cars, picking up undercover cops as hookers, ramming into your wife's SUV with your child inside it, Monday Night Football meltdowns or bouncing bad checks & child support going unpaid on a multi-million dollar salary? Those are the ones I can remember

Of which Grbac was not a part of in the least.

I agree, social miscreants are a detriment to the team I want, including a winning team. However, Grbac was guilty of nothing more than being a human being with poor character with bad socialization skills. Character I really don't give a fig about one way or the other.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

Of which Grbac was not a part of in the least.

I agree, social miscreants are a detriment to the team I want, including a winning team. However, Grbac was guilty of nothing more than being a human being with poor character with bad socialization skills. Character I really don't give a fig about one way or the other.

He was also unable to put together any 4th quarter QB skills...I can remember the Raiders MNF game, but that's about it...

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He was also unable to put together any 4th quarter QB skills...I can remember the Raiders MNF game, but that's about it...

We have lost half a dozen games in the 4th quarter this year alone. Grbac is not the QB now.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

We have lost half a dozen games in the 4th quarter this year alone. Grbac is not the QB now.

Green's 4th quarter play this year has been poop. I'm not covering for him, I'm just saying Girlbac wasn't the answer. His character (drive, determination, etc) on the field was just $#itty.

He demonstrated it both here and in B-More.

I like Trent's approach to "team" and the belief this team has in him.