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tk13 · 01-18-2005, 02:28 AM

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Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star

Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff.

Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team.

Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season.

“The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.”

Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago.

The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams.

Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players.

Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame.

“Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No.

“If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.”

Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers.

The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach.

Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.

bricks · 01-18-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

At least Peterson can see there is a problem. To bad he can't force a change.

If Peterson can't over-rule a "head coach". then, that goes to show something about this organization, doesn't it? He's not a leader, and definately not leading by example. he sees the problem so go fix it. fuck what the coach says. I want Carl gone. He can't lead. That's THE main problem.

KCFalcon59 · 01-18-2005, 10:58 AM

Looks like San Diego is gonna win the west by default again. The rest of the teams will continue to suck.

**PHOG** · 01-18-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

I think we should all pray that G Rob asks Guinta to be his defensive coordinator at Syracuse. Oh, wouldn't that be too good to be true?

Thanks to a nutless CP (

) and a clueless DV (

) this may be the best we could hope for.

siberian khatru · 01-18-2005, 10:59 AM

I'd really like to know if Carl thinks he has gotten what he thought he was getting in Vermeil.

Chiefnj · 01-18-2005, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I'd really like to know if Carl thinks he has gotten what he thought he was getting in Vermeil.

I think both men thought they would see eye-to-eye more often and when disagreements arise they are tougher to work out because of their past friendship.

philfree · 01-18-2005, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ck_IN

I'm glad my subtlety wasn't lost htismaqe.

Contrast Bill Parcells with DV. I pick up the sports page this morning and see where Parcells is trashing his assistant coaching staff. Two (IIRC) heads chopped and perhaps more to come.

DV on the other hand not only keeps his but is appearing to make excuses for them. Now Bill might or might not find better heads to replace those chopped but at least he sees a problem and is doing something about it. Is Dick?

IMO Parcells has done a shit job coaching the Cowboys so at this point I wouldn't hang my hat on anything he does or doesn't do. He's the biggest coaching disapointment of 2004 IMO.

PhilFree

Mr. Laz · 01-18-2005, 11:18 AM

i figured there wouldn't be much change this offseason

Vermeil "loyal to a fault" @ss won't change the coaches

peterson's greedy @ss won't change the players

pretty much the same team next year IMO

i imagine morton is gone because he made Trent Green look bad and that is a Sin in Vermeil's eyes.

Holliday will be gone because his contract was structure that way.

Barber might be gone because of injury

maz might be gone because of injury

Blaylock might be gone because priest and larry johnson will both still be here next year. Priest is Vermeil's guy, he's not going anywhere. Larry Johnson is Carl's guy, so he's not going anywhere.

That's it

1 wide receiver = filled by samie parker

1 RDE = filled by john Browning

1 OLB = ????

1 MLB = Maz has already been replaced

1 RB = ???

and whomever we draft

So 1 OLB, a backup RB and prolly 1 cornerback someplace, the rest of the team will be basically the same.

siberian khatru · 01-18-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

So 1 OLB, a backup RB and prolly 1 cornerback someplace, the rest of the team will be basically the same.

Q: Coach, as you retire now, for good, do you have any regrets in your five years here in KC?

A: Yes, I wish we'd gotten easier schedules.

**Iowanian** · 01-18-2005, 11:25 AM

Keeping the secondary coaching staff is UNACCEPTABLE.

Dick........Those guys had better be "retiring".

bricks · 01-18-2005, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazarus

i figured there wouldn't be much change this offseason

Vermeil wouldn't change the coaches

peterson's greedy @ss won't change the players

pretty much the same team next year IMO

i imagine morton is gone because he made Trent Green look bad and that is a Sin in Vermeil's eyes.

Holliday will be gone because his contract was structure that way.

Barber might be gone because of injury

maz might be gone because of injury

Blaylock might be gone because priest and larry johnson will both still be here next year. Priest is Vermeil's guy, he's not going anywhere. Larry Johnson is Carl's guy, so he's not going anywhere.

That's it

1 wide receiver = filled by samie parker

1 RDE = filled by john Browning

1 OLB = ????

1 MLB = Maz has already been replaced

1 RB = ???

and whomever we draft

So 1 OLB, a backup RB and prolly 1 cornerback someplace, the rest of the team will be basically the same.

sounds pretty realistic in their eyes. The Chiefs, will probably used some excuse to cover that up.

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 12:21 PM

Guinta to the Orangemen is still a possibility...

Looks like Terry Shea might get his old job back...Jason Verduzco is going to the Cuse to work for Robinson...

siberian khatru · 01-18-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Guinta to the Orangemen is still a possibility...

Wouldn't that be ironic -- GRob improving the Chiefs' D ...

go bo · 01-18-2005, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

The ****?!?! The only way a football coach is evaluated on MY staff is how they performed on their ****ing side of the ball. #31 out of 32 is slightly below ****ing average. Slightly.

I'm growing less fond of Dick Vermeil by the hour.

just slightly?

i have a bad feeling about next year if they aren't gonna change some, if not all, of the defensive coaches except gun and the d-line coach...

go bo · 01-18-2005, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

I didn't get to that part before my head exploded.

If it were possible to be top 5 in the league in defense and offense and STILL go 7-9, Dick Vermeil would be talking about how his coaches were amongst the top ****ing 5 in the league instead of below average.

He is such a gunt. Wow, that pisses me off. Does he think people are really that stupid?

apparently...

go bo · 01-18-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

I swear to God the next time I see Dick Vermeil in public, rather than shaking his hand, I will kick him in the shins. Mark my words. I may chicken out at the last moment and make it appear as though it were an accident, but either way DICK VERMEIL WILL BE RUBBING HIS SHINS AND CRYING.

he doesn't rub his shins now?

01-18-2005, 02:28 AM
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1667500	Teicher: No changes in defensive coaching staff http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff. Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team. Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season. “The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.” Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago. The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams. Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players. Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame. “Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No. “If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.” Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers. The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach. Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.
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