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Chiefnj · 03-03-2005, 09:30 AM

It is being discussed elsewhere that St. John on 810 this morning said there were issues with Trotter's physical given by KC? Any truth to this from anyone who listens to the show?

htismaqe · 03-03-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

They get a dime for every offseason thread about how the Chiefs don't care about winning. That's the real reason why Lamar can't sign free agents, all of his money has gone to Titus.

I get a regular paycheck whether I defend him or not.

That's the benefit of reporting directly to the CAO.

nmt1 · 03-03-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Manila-Chief

And it was reported he made $30 mil in profits last year.

I think it does all go back to the owner. If he wanted to win a S.B. then we would come a lot closer to it.

Dude ... I don't understand you the Chiefs owe the fans 8 games ... is that the only games you watch. You sound like either a young squirt just starting out being a fan or not a real fan ... I mean you sound like a fan who doesn't care about winning. That is what sports is all about ... winning .... not just how they play the games...

How dare you question my fandom!

nmt1 · 03-03-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

If I was an NFL owner, I can assure you I would not. I'm very competitive and not winning a SB in 35 years, or a playoff game in 12, would eat the shit out of me to the point where I would spend money necessary - esp. if my name was on the AFC champions trophy and I was close to passing on. It would be worth something to me to hold a trophy with my name on it one last time.

His livelyhood? You are really, really reaching now. He was hired to do a job as a GM, made a 5-year plan promise, and is in year 16 (i could be off here) and has been to one AFC championship game.

I'm glad you'd be a better owner than Lamar Hunt. Get yourself a couple of hundred mil and buy a team.

Is Carl's livelyhood not being GM of the Chiefs? Regardless of what he said, Lamar Hunt signs his paychecks. It's Lamar's team and he'll hire and fire whoever he'd like. Pretty simple.

keg in kc · 03-03-2005, 11:40 AM

Shut the hell up, nmt1, you're not a REAL FAN™.

KCTitus · 03-03-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

No, winning explains that.

How do explain the waiting list for season tickets in the 90s, but no waiting list the last three years? A few years back a local TV station almost had to buy out unsold tickets to avoid a blackout. Did that ever happen in the 90s?

The fans are seeing ticket price increases every year. If you think we'll continue to fill Arrowhead through eternity as an 8-8 team, you're drinking too much kool-aid.

Feh...Im not the one buying tickets or going to the games. If you're going given your criticisms, I think it's pretty clear who's 'drinking the kool aid'

tomahawk kid · 03-03-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

Is Carl's livelyhood not being GM of the Chiefs? Regardless of what he said, Lamar Hunt signs his paychecks. It's Lamar's team and he'll hire and fire whoever he'd like. Pretty simple.

If you think that Lamar would / will ever fire Carl Peterson, you're kidding yourself.

KCTitus · 03-03-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

They get a dime for every offseason thread about how the Chiefs don't care about winning. That's the real reason why Lamar can't sign free agents, all of his money has gone to Titus.

ehp...secret's out...I have eleventy billion of Lamars money.

nmt1 · 03-03-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

If Lamar doesn't like the risk involved with satisfying his customers, he needs to get into a different business. Today's fan expects more than they did 20 years ago, and the price they pay warrants it.

I honestly have no idea how much risk Lamar is willing to endure. Though I do know it would be stupid for him to sell the Chiefs. It's one of his biggest money makers, I'd guess.
I don't care what today's fan expects. They pay for 8 football games and they get 8 football games. They don't pay for guaranteed Superbowl victories.

Wallcrawler · 03-03-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

I They pay for 8 football games and they get 8 football games. They don't pay for guaranteed Superbowl victories.

Nothing is guaranteed. Any fool knows that. But the organization should at least "make it look like" the organization cares more about making a profit, and actually wants to try for a superbowl.

Its not too much to ask.

keg in kc · 03-03-2005, 11:48 AM

I don't think people are just paying for 8 games, they're paying to see a competitive team play 8 games, they're paying to see what they expect to be a winner. There's a reason ticket sales suffer when you're losing.

HC_Chief · 03-03-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

Is Carl's livelyhood not being GM of the Chiefs? Regardless of what he said, Lamar Hunt signs his paychecks. It's Lamar's team and he'll hire and fire whoever he'd like. Pretty simple.

IMO the problem w/ Carl is a conflict of interests. Yes, he's the GM... but he's also the President and CEO. I think there needs to be separation between the football administrative functions (GM) and the business-side of the operation (Pres/CEO).

The GM's responsibility is to provide the team with coaches and players capable of winning... hopefully, with the sincere goal of winning the SB. He negotiates the contracts and ensures the team is capable of keeping it's "core" players (and coaches).

Where the conflict arises is on the business side. The Pres & CEO works for one purpose: the bottom line. Profitability, first & foremost.

What I, and a significant portion of the Chiefs fanbase sees, is more emphasis put on profitability, rather than success. Emphasis for success MUST exist, or profitability suffers... however there is a fine line one can walk to maximize profits w/o spending a lot to guarantee success. That's the tightrope act I see CP & the Chiefs FO walking.... they've been doing so since about 1999.

nmt1 · 03-03-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

No, winning explains that.

I thought we hadn't won anything in years.

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Originally Posted by jspchief

The fans are seeing ticket price increases every year. If you think we'll continue to fill Arrowhead through eternity as an 8-8 team, you're drinking too much kool-aid.

I don't expect you to fill the stadium if you're not satisfied with the product. I've said this many times: If you don't like it, stop going to the games and stop buying merchandise. It's the only way you're going to have an effect on the Chiefs.
Look at it this way. There's a very popular restaurant near your home. So popular that everyone in your city wants to go there every Friday night. You live close enough to get there every Friday before the rest of the crowd. The food REALLY, REALLY sucks in the restaurant and makes you sick when you eat there. Do you keep going just because you live close enough to beat the crowd or do you find somewhere else to go because the food sucks and it makes you sick?

keg in kc · 03-03-2005, 11:54 AM

I've been saying what you said there for years HC. Carl's been tremendously successful as President/CEO, but as a GM he's left something to be desired. And I think there is a real conflict between the two sides of his job.

Actually, I don't think the problem is just carl, I'm not sure the entire player evaluation side of the organization couldn't use a complete overhaul. We've not done well with drafting for the last decade, and have had mixed results with trades and free agency. There's been an awful lot of failure in that arena, without much success to balance it.

I'd like to think we're due some good things, that maybe all the negative will eventually flip, but I'm too cynical to think the world works like that. I don't believe in luck.

And I also don't think Carl is singularly responsible for everything. I think Lamar should shoulder some blame for his conservative nature, not being willing (at times) to open his checkbook in terms of bonus money. While at other times he's been quite generous. He's where, ultimately, the issue of profit over winning falls, in my book. And I don't necessarily fault him for that, from a business perspective I understand, but as a fan...

nmt1 · 03-03-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

If you think that Lamar would / will ever fire Carl Peterson, you're kidding yourself.

He may and he may not. Neither you nor I have any control over that.

nmt1 · 03-03-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Stinger

Nothing is guaranteed. Any fool knows that. But the organization should at least "make it look like" the organization cares more about making a profit, and actually wants to try for a superbowl.

Its not too much to ask.

So it's OK not to win the Superbowl if you "make it look like" you want to?

03-03-2005, 09:30 AM
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03-03-2005, 11:54 AM	#118
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I've been saying what you said there for years HC. Carl's been tremendously successful as President/CEO, but as a GM he's left something to be desired. And I think there is a real conflict between the two sides of his job. Actually, I don't think the problem is just carl, I'm not sure the entire player evaluation side of the organization couldn't use a complete overhaul. We've not done well with drafting for the last decade, and have had mixed results with trades and free agency. There's been an awful lot of failure in that arena, without much success to balance it. I'd like to think we're due some good things, that maybe all the negative will eventually flip, but I'm too cynical to think the world works like that. I don't believe in luck. And I also don't think Carl is singularly responsible for everything. I think Lamar should shoulder some blame for his conservative nature, not being willing (at times) to open his checkbook in terms of bonus money. While at other times he's been quite generous. He's where, ultimately, the issue of profit over winning falls, in my book. And I don't necessarily fault him for that, from a business perspective I understand, but as a fan...
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