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**DaKCMan AP** · 06-20-2006, 10:14 AM

New US church leader says homosexuality no sin

Mon Jun 19, 3:50 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender.

Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected on Sunday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member Episcopal Church. the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year.

Interviewed on CNN, Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual.

"I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said.

"Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender."

Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within a Episcopal Church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away.

It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church women are bishops only in Canada, the United States and New Zealand.

Three years ago when the Church last met in convention, a majority of U.S. bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The Robinson issue has been particularly criticized in Africa where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo.

Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialization in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history.

The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother.

Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions.

"The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said.

"The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded."

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BucEyedPea · 06-20-2006, 04:11 PM

What I've read, and it was three years ago so I don't have a stinkin' link, was that it's the fundementalist faiths that are growing fastest. I also, read that building of mosques in the US is outstripping the building of churches.

Seems to me that in uncertain times, people prefer the guidance of clearly set rules instead of having to analzye everything for themselves. Is it thinking always or is it confusion sometimes?

Jilly · 06-20-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Are you hitting on me?

I don't know, am I?

KUalum · 06-20-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

It's infiltration. It's the church's problem at this point nobody else's. This infiltration thing is nothing new. This is a big gay year. From school textbooks to the Soprano's to gay cowboys and the church. Once again I am all for people doing whatever they want but at some point I get sick of it. We hit the saturation point long ago IMO. Hell the gays are beginning to have more rights than the average Joe like in hate crimes for example.

I am a bit curious. I don't understand exactly what it is that's "infiltrating". Do the gay people you know (if you know any) do things differently from everyone else? - Of course sex in the privacy of ones home is excluded. Don't gay people go to work, buy homes and cars, pay taxes etc. I just want to understand what identifies this "lifestyle" that is being force fed upon everyone.

As far as rights - yeah I think you are a bit off base there. The only right that gay people have that heterosexuals do not is the right to have their violent attackers also charged with a hate crime. That's not much of a right in my opinion.
What rights do they not have. Well they can not get married. If they are hospitalized and do not have the correct paperwork they can be denied access to a partner of countless years (because they can not be married). When they die (hopefully not unexpectedly) they hope to have enough protection in wills and other legal documents that they only have to pay excessive taxes on all that one partner leaves to the other. Oh and they can still be fired in many states just because they are gay. I think those example alone are enough to show that gays have significantly less rights than the average Joe.

As far as being in the Church if the church does not want them there they will not be there.

Adept Havelock · 06-20-2006, 04:17 PM

Is homosexuality a sin? I guess it depends on which set of superstitions you subscribe to.

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

What I've read, and it was three years ago so I don't have a stinkin' link, was that it's the fundementalist faiths that are growing fastests. I also, read that building of mosques in the US is outstripping the building of churches.

Seems to me that in uncertain times, people prefer the guidance of clearly set rules instead of having to analzye everything for themselves. Is it thinking always or is it confusion sometimes?

Is that much different from "Times are uncertain, so I prefer to be told what to do, instead of figuring it out for myself"?

**Baby Lee** · 06-20-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

people prefer the guidance of clearly set rules instead of having to analzye everything for themselves

And again, not to be too pedantic, particularly as we applying terms like liberal/conservative [which we have enough trouble achieving definitional consensus on in the political realm] to the entirety of religiosity, . . .
But I take issue with the dichomoty you present.

Having grown up in a church that has liberalized as radically as any out there, I've seen a transformation from;

preferring full and animated exposition of all aspects and stories of the bible, drawing inferences from disparate parts of the text to illimunate the interplay between faith, agency, adherence, parables, wrath, joy, fidelity. Almost Jewish in the way that the stories of the Bible/Torah live with you and inform day to day decisions.

to;

"Isn't God great, and isn't it great to get together today and think about how great God is? You know, God's real cool. . . blah, blah, blah, Personal journey, . . . blah, blah. . . dictates of your own personal truth . . . blah, blah, God is awesome."

Calcountry · 06-20-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No shit, dumbass. The mere point of that post sailed way over your head. I find it funny that he can debase the push for equality among people as so reprehensible (as this push desires to do) and yet finds it so damnable for dogs to be considered for specific legislation when they might be considered dangerous. It's a logical inconsistency that I was pointing out.

Duhhh.

Do you have 50 cent?

I need to buy a cup of coffe with all of your smarts man. I be too dum to work, I need yo help.

Is it o.k. if I breed? I be to dumn fo dat. Yus betta come and fix me sos dat I caint do dat no mo.

Please don'ts owtlaws my breed o humankind, causin dats not fayer.

Yous so smart dat you have all da ansas fo my ignoant ass, please tell me wats Im supoosse to do,

do you have it figured out!

Calcountry · 06-20-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TitsMagee

What the hell makes it right for a woman to teach Sunday School, but not preach?

Something is just not right with this sentence.

Calcountry · 06-20-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

You mean like nothing? Thats what really happened...

Dave

So sayeth the Lord Dave, or was it Josephus?

BucEyedPea · 06-20-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Is that much different from "Times are uncertain, so I prefer to be told what to do, instead of figuring it out for myself"?

I'm just speculating on why fundamentalist faiths seem to be growing the fastest in what is generally considered to be a secular era.

To be honest with you I don't think the average person has the same reasoning powers person-to-person.

That being said, is there really anything wrong with that?
I don't think so.

If one finds a faith ( or any philosophy ) that provides him a clearer path over others, then if that works then fine. If another doesn't...that's fine too. I do think overall, we all can't figure everything out on our own...so borrow from each other. We can always reject what doesn't seem to work. Then people can fall into the trap of being self-serving only.

BabyLee, I didn't really understand your post?

Calcountry · 06-20-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I doubt very seriously that you or anyone else adhere to all the rules proscribed in the bible.

If fact, the Bible says as much.

"No one is righteous, no not one."

"For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God."

**Baby Lee** · 06-20-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

BabyLee, I didn't really understand your post?

Which one?

**Baby Lee** · 06-20-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

If fact, the Bible says as much.

"No one is righteous, no not one."

"For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God."

Does anyone know what 'proscribed' means?

BIG_DADDY · 06-20-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KUalum

I am a bit curious. I don't understand exactly what it is that's "infiltrating". Do the gay people you know (if you know any) do things differently from everyone else? - Of course sex in the privacy of ones home is excluded. Don't gay people go to work, buy homes and cars, pay taxes etc. I just want to understand what identifies this "lifestyle" that is being force fed upon everyone.

As far as rights - yeah I think you are a bit off base there. The only right that gay people have that heterosexuals do not is the right to have their violent attackers also charged with a hate crime. That's not much of a right in my opinion.
What rights do they not have. Well they can not get married. If they are hospitalized and do not have the correct paperwork they can be denied access to a partner of countless years (because they can not be married). When they die (hopefully not unexpectedly) they hope to have enough protection in wills and other legal documents that they only have to pay excessive taxes on all that one partner leaves to the other. Oh and they can still be fired in many states just because they are gay. I think those example alone are enough to show that gays have significantly less rights than the average Joe.

As far as being in the Church if the church does not want them there they will not be there.

Like I said it is a church problem.

Do I know any gay people? Hell I have probably hired more gay people than anybody else here at chiefsplanet including the gays. 18 years in the health club industry will do that. Living in California? Come on.

Infiltrating. If you got voted into the position to act in the best interest of the church knowing you were going to pull this that would be the case. A lot of people donate serious money so the church can do good things for people. If she knew her position and didn't let people know that before voting her in on an issue that big it is deception and infiltration. It's not like this is anything new.

My point was hate crime. There are also insurance issues on both sides but that is a whole subject unto itself. I believe they should have the same rights as everyone. I believe marriage should be made a union but a union should not necessarily be considered a marriage if that makes any sense.

Hamas and people like him are the essence of the problem IMO. There is a big difference between tolerance and acceptance. Tolerance is a just a word he uses as a dagger to go after others when in reality he has no more tolerance than anyone he criticizes. It's a real groovy word to use when it fits your agenda. Denise was the master of that.

BucEyedPea · 06-20-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Which one?

Wow! That was fast, I hadn't finished editing.

#110.

beer bacon · 06-20-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Are you hitting on me?

I just want to put my deacon in your steeple baby.

06-20-2006, 10:14 AM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $5634952	New US church leader says homosexuality no sin New US church leader says homosexuality no sin Mon Jun 19, 3:50 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newly elected leader of the U.S. Episcopal Church Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said on Monday she believed homosexuality was no sin and homosexuals were created by God to love people of the same gender. Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, was elected on Sunday as the first woman leader of the 2.3 million-member Episcopal Church. the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion. She will formally take office later this year. Interviewed on CNN, Jefferts Schori was asked if it was a sin to be homosexual. "I don't believe so. I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us," she said. "Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender." Jefferts Schori's election seemed certain to exacerbate splits within a Episcopal Church that is already deeply divided over homosexuality with several dioceses and parishes threatening to break away. It could also widen divisions with other Anglican communities, including the Church of England, which do not allow women bishops. In the worldwide Anglican church women are bishops only in Canada, the United States and New Zealand. Three years ago when the Church last met in convention, a majority of U.S. bishops backed the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history. The Robinson issue has been particularly criticized in Africa where the church has a growing membership and where homosexuality is often taboo. Jefferts Schori, who was raised a Roman Catholic and graduated in marine biology with a doctorate specialization in squids and oysters, supported the consecration of Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in more than 450 years of Anglican history. The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother. Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions. "The Bible has a great deal to teach us about how to live as human beings. The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said. "The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060619/...HBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
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