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Old 08-11-2008, 08:00 PM  
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Should the Chiefs have drafted Aaron Rodgers over Derrick Johnson?
Would we have been in a better position now???

Rodgers would have gotten to learn from Trent Green a few years....

Hmmmm....thoughts to ponder.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:14 AM   #106
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That kind of goes in line with a theory I have about numerous people being pissed off about rebuilding and would have rather just gone with the vet general Chiefs approach. I think like you said a good number of fans are happy to just be a part...but namely win 7 or 8 home games because it's a party day to drink beer all day and basically party it up.

Now with this approach they have taken that away, there will be no good time party every weekend and I think some fans who liked that part of the game and wanted things to stay like they were aren't happy about it.

That doesn't even count the people who fear what the 80s were so they're just happy to take their 7-9 wins.
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:39 AM   #107
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I just realized who Brodie Croyle is.

Hes former Brown QB Charlie Frye. A mid round talent guy beind sold as a QBoTF for a few years, but is basically just filling the slot until something better comes along.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 08-24-2008, 05:46 AM   #108
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No to Rodgers ... DJ is decent ...
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Old 08-24-2008, 06:18 AM   #109
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The problem with this debate is that it takes coaching out of the equation.

When I look at DJ, I see a guy who, until this year, was playing out of position.

When I look at this defense, I see a group that is coordinated by a guy who is a terrible talent evaluator that seems to always find a way to put players in position to to miss plays.

If DJ had been drafted by the Tampa Bay Bucs, Monte Kiffen would have found a way to put DJ in position to succeed, to get the most out of his talent.

Jimmy Wilkerson is having an outstanding preseason right now for the Bucs, and because Kiffen knows what he's doing, I fully expect him to play at much that same level into the regular season.

I've always argued that ****her did more to contain DT than any offense ever did.
His sack numbers didn't really decrease, but his overall pressure wasn't as consistent, and his overall tackle numbers did decrease rather substantially.

Those a just a couple of examples.

But that is the kind of thing that ****her has done consistently.

Right now, I'm waiting to see what Chan does in the regualr season to really get a feel for Croyle's development, because other than that first drive in the first game, the Chiefs haven't really opened up the playbook, except for a couple of plays.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:27 PM   #110
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Rodgers is having a better Week 1 than DJ so far...

Damn.
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Old 09-08-2008, 07:54 PM   #111
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Old 09-08-2008, 07:58 PM   #112
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Hell no, this board hates QBs not named Elway. If we just keep drafting olinemen, eventually we'll find a combination that makes Croyle look average. yeah, that's the ticket.....
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:00 PM   #113
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Hell no, this board hates QBs not named Elway. If we just keep drafting olinemen, eventually we'll find a combination that makes Croyle look average. yeah, that's the ticket.....
I've never seen the most important position the field get devalued like it does here.
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:01 PM   #114
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Would we have been in a better position now???

Rodgers would have gotten to learn from Trent Green a few years....

Hmmmm....thoughts to ponder.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft
No because we would not have the qB coach to teach him.. nor the coaches that would allow him to succeed..
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:02 PM   #115
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I've never seen the most important position the field get devalued like it does here.

True that.

Look at the Vikes, if they had a more accurate QB, they might be a more TRUE Super Bowl threat.
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Derrick Johnson is one of the best 4-3 OLBs in football. He's far superior to Aaron Rodgers as a football player.
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Derrick Johnson is one of the best 4-3 OLBs in football. He's far superior to Aaron Rodgers as a football player.
The first statement is true. The second statement is false. The Chiefs would be in a much better position right now. Are you watching Rodgers? He looks great tonight against one of the league's best defenses.
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The first statement is true. The second statement is false. The Chiefs would be in a much better position right now. Are you watching Rodgers? He looks great tonight against one of the league's best defenses.
Minnesota does not have one of the league's best defenses. Their pass defense has been awful for years. Everyone assumed that Allen would fix it and so far he hasn't.

Rodgers has looked good and I'd probably rather have him than DJ, but one decent game against a poor pass defense doesn't mean all that much.
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Heh. Allen was virtually non-existent against the Packers...I guess we might have gotten the better part of that deal after all...
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Would we have been in a better position now???

Rodgers would have gotten to learn from Trent Green a few years....

Hmmmm....thoughts to ponder.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft

Even though D. Johnson has been a dissappointment so far I would say no to Rodgers. The Queeefs would of been forced to throw him into the fire too soon and would of ruined his developement.
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