NFL Draft At number 3 the Chiefs should take a QB... - Page 8

Alphaman · 01-03-2009, 09:42 AM

However, Chiefs fans should not expect the same results as those delivered by Flacco and Ryan. I say that for mainly one reason. Both Flacco and Ryan finished their senior years at their respective schools. That level of maturity and leadership experience certainly helped them in their preparation for their rookie year in the NFL.

Both Stafford and Bradford will be underclassmen if they come out. They won't have the same level of maturity or leadership experience when they hit the NFL. I know they are both leaders, but in college being a senior in the lockerroom carries a lot weight and respect even if there is a talented QB in the lockerroom as well.

Take Mizzou for example. Last season Chase Daniel was a leader on the team, but THE leaders on the team were Pig Brown and Martin Rucker. Seniors carry the big stick in college.

smittysbar · 01-03-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

1. You have to draft Sanchez or Stafford if you get the chance.
2. If you can't get one of those two, put all your eggs in Thigpen under a pro-style offense (okay to mix in 30% - 40% spread, but the base needs to be something that can sustain a running game in running situations). Let him show if he has it or not, without accommodation. If he does, great...

3. ... if not lets hope he fails bad enough that we can draft Sanchez next year.

We absolutely have to get a franchise QB. Thigpen, Sanchez, Stafford, whoever.

I don't want a game manager. That would be worst possible fate.

I agree but would throw Bradford in that mix as well

Mecca · 01-03-2009, 05:02 PM

Why did I just know there'd be someone in the thread saying we need OL instead....some will never learn.

Deberg_1990 · 01-03-2009, 05:03 PM

IM sure its killing Atlanta right now that they didnt take Dorsey or McFadden.

smittysbar · 01-03-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

IM sure its killing Atlanta right now that they didnt take Dorsey or McFadden.

After Ryan calmed down a bit, he has played good in the first half. He threw a bomb to White, White droped the easy catch.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-03-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i don't give a %$!@ about thigpen

That's a great mentality. You should definitely write the book on a QB because you didn't like how he played for 3 or 4 starts. Thigpen deserves a full offseason to work with coaches, work with receivers, to work on his mechanics, and to work with a full playbook. Because he was third string, he has never had access to any of those until midseason 2008.

Yes, you bring in strong competition and I'd be fine with that being a first round pick. And yes, you yank him if the new QB clearly outperformns Thigpen. And yes, you yank Thigpen if he isn't playing to a very high level in 2009. But the stupidest strategy in the book would be to say that Thigpen doesn't win a job in 2008 no way, no how. Jobs shouldn't be guaranteed to players just because of their draft position.

Mecca · 01-03-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's a great mentality. You should definitely write the book on a QB because you didn't like how he played for 3 or 4 starts. Thigpen deserves a full offseason to work with coaches, work with receivers, to work on his mechanics, and to work with a full playbook. Because he was third string, he has never had access to any of those until midseason 2008.

Yes, you bring in strong competition and I'd be fine with that being a first round pick. And yes, you yank him if the new QB clearly outperformns Thigpen. And yes, you yank Thigpen if he isn't playing to a very high level in 2009. But the stupidest strategy in the book would be to say that Thigpen doesn't win a job in 2008 no way, no how. Jobs shouldn't be guaranteed to players just because of their draft position.

Well Kitna played well with Palmer behind him and he still got the starting job pulled from him and given to Palmer the next year...

**the Talking Can** · 01-03-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's a great mentality. You should definitely write the book on a QB because you didn't like how he played for 3 or 4 starts. Thigpen deserves a full offseason to work with coaches, work with receivers, to work on his mechanics, and to work with a full playbook. Because he was third string, he has never had access to any of those until midseason 2008.

Yes, you bring in strong competition and I'd be fine with that being a first round pick. And yes, you yank him if the new QB clearly outperformns Thigpen. And yes, you yank Thigpen if he isn't playing to a very high level in 2009. But the stupidest strategy in the book would be to say that Thigpen doesn't win a job in 2008 no way, no how. Jobs shouldn't be guaranteed to players just because of their draft position.

thigpen doesn't deserve anything...no one does...

but the point is that i just don't care...it's the new HC's problem

the HC will decide whether or not to sit our draft pick for a year, or let him compete against thigpen....i don't care...just draft the damn QB, everything else will work itself out...

chiefzilla1501 · 01-03-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well Kitna played well with Palmer behind him and he still got the starting job pulled from him and given to Palmer the next year...

And that's fine. But I think that's a different case. There you had a stopgap average veteran competing against a top 5, future bright QB. Nobody ever thought Kitna was a long-term option and everyone knew he was only starting until Cincy thought Palmer was ready. Still, between Palmer and Cutler, it showed strong coaching decisiveness to go with the young QB even if there was a veteran doing just fine.

The difference is that Thigpen is still somewhat unknown and so would be a top 5 QB. It begs the question: if Thigpen does really well and you draft Stafford, what do you do? That's where the gray area comes in. In practice, you keep Thigpen in. In reality, there will probably be a lot of pressure from the fans and from up top to go with Stafford. It's just something that always happens when you draft a top 5 QB.

Reerun_KC · 01-03-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And that's fine. But I think that's a different case. There you had a stopgap average veteran competing against a top 5, future bright QB. Nobody ever thought Kitna was a long-term option and everyone knew he was only starting until Cincy thought Palmer was ready. Still, between Palmer and Cutler, it showed strong coaching decisiveness to go with the young QB even if there was a veteran doing just fine.

The difference is that Thigpen is still somewhat unknown and so would be a top 5 QB. It begs the question: if Thigpen does really well and you draft Stafford, what do you do? That's where the gray area comes in. In practice, you keep Thigpen in. In reality, there will probably be a lot of pressure from the fans and from up top to go with Stafford. It's just something that always happens when you draft a top 5 QB.

Can Thigpen run a pro style offense from under center? There is your defining factor, both Stafford and Sanchez can...

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-03-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's a great mentality. You should definitely write the book on a QB because you didn't like how he played for 3 or 4 starts. Thigpen deserves a full offseason to work with coaches, work with receivers, to work on his mechanics, and to work with a full playbook. Because he was third string, he has never had access to any of those until midseason 2008.

Yes, you bring in strong competition and I'd be fine with that being a first round pick. And yes, you yank him if the new QB clearly outperformns Thigpen. And yes, you yank Thigpen if he isn't playing to a very high level in 2009. But the stupidest strategy in the book would be to say that Thigpen doesn't win a job in 2008 no way, no how. Jobs shouldn't be guaranteed to players just because of their draft position.

Think about this for a minute. If Croyle hadn't gotten injured, Thig would've never seen the field.
He's a 7th rounder that got to play on account of dumb luck. Yeah, go ahead and throw Brady in there. I know he was a 6th rounder that got in because of injury. But, guess what? He played well, and consistantly and he won a SB.

Mecca · 01-03-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Can Thigpen run a pro style offense from under center? There is your defining factor, both Stafford and Sanchez can...

Well the one game where he tried to play that it was frankly one of the worst QB performances ever seen.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-03-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We've built freaking O-Lines in KC for the better part of 30 ****ing years, and where the **** has that ever gotten us?

Good God, you people are just too ****ing stupid to breathe.

not stupid enough to think your opinion matters

King_Chief_Fan · 01-03-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

There well be a pretty good chance to get good O-linemen in the 2nd thru 4th round. And maybe not even reach for position, but taking the best player available. Most all of the top 100's out there have good o-line prospects right around our number. Granted those boards change a lot from now until the draft, but we can possibly fill several needs and still add a potential franchise QB.

Then there is still the 2010 draft, as I don't really see us making the Super Bowl next season given the schedule.

I agree. But it seems thigpen success behind this line has caused some to forget that QB would need a great line to be successful. This gimmick crap that works for only half a game isn't cutting it. As you say, hopefully, plenty of o line types that can start and protect the qb and create lanes for the RB can be had.

DT58HOF · 01-03-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Stafford has been a 3 year starter for Georgia, I believe the kid will make the transition rather smoothly.

yeah but he was a 3 year start on a bad team, a way over rated team!!

chiefzilla1501 · 01-03-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Can Thigpen run a pro style offense from under center? There is your defining factor, both Stafford and Sanchez can...

I don't know. Nobody does. That's why you give him an opportunity to prove that he can/can't. No QB was going to run a pro-style offense behind our awful offensive line this season. And Thigpen as our 3rd Qb, I'm sure he got about 25% of the coaches' attention while Croyle got the other 75%.

While Stafford/Sanchez can run a pro style offense, there's no guarantee they can do it in the NFL. Croyle ran a pro style offense in Alabama, as you'll recall.

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Alphaman Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Austin, TX, USA Casino cash: $10004900	At number 3 the Chiefs should take a QB... However, Chiefs fans should not expect the same results as those delivered by Flacco and Ryan. I say that for mainly one reason. Both Flacco and Ryan finished their senior years at their respective schools. That level of maturity and leadership experience certainly helped them in their preparation for their rookie year in the NFL. Both Stafford and Bradford will be underclassmen if they come out. They won't have the same level of maturity or leadership experience when they hit the NFL. I know they are both leaders, but in college being a senior in the lockerroom carries a lot weight and respect even if there is a talented QB in the lockerroom as well. Take Mizzou for example. Last season Chase Daniel was a leader on the team, but THE leaders on the team were Pig Brown and Martin Rucker. Seniors carry the big stick in college.
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