Chiefs Is it starting to become pathetic how Patriots-like we're trying to be? - Page 8

TigerPig · 10:51 PM

I mean, do other teams and analysts think, "They are so smart for going after Weis, Cassel, and (possibly) Crennel, to try and bring that winning attitude to KC!" Or are they thinking, "How pathetic, they can't even make their own decisions on coaching and are just trying to copy New England as much as possible!"

Its pretty obvious we're ripping off the Patriots' philosophy. We're not copying it, we're literally trying to take the exact personnel and players they had and win with them here. Is this a smart, tactful thing? Or a sad and pathetic thing?

FTR I don't see a problem with it. If we start winning, they can change Cassel's name to Tom Brady and put Haley in a huge hoodie for all I care.

RedThat · 01-07-2010, 12:07 AM

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They did hire ex-49ers coaches.

Not a whole staff full though, right?

Do you remember who they hired? I could think of one off the top of my head, Solari. Thats about it.

Micjones · 01-07-2010, 12:08 AM

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I really liked him. I think his 4-3 style of defensive would have been perfect for the personal we had in place. Dorsey could have reached a high level under him IMO. Flowers, DJ, Pollard, Hali all fit as well. Not to mention I liked his MoneyBall approach - stat type guru.

If Stafford wasn't hurt I bet Detroit would have won a few more games but it looks like they will luck out and get Suh now.

UGH.

How many "best prospect in 10 year" guys can they draft?
Bastards.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-07-2010, 12:09 AM

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Success or Failure for them will be determined pending on how Stafford pans out. Of course, same thing can be said about the Chiefs with Cassel. Both quarterbacks have lots of room to improve. The key to progress for both teams will depend on two critical players at two key positions.

I believe a major contributor to Arizona's success is Kurt Warner. As soon as he came along, and started playing at a high level for them, they took off. Once he went down, things were a bit different.

But I think both teams, Detroit and Kansas City are in similar situations. Chiefs do have there share of young talent too. Don't kid yourself. They just often get criticize more than anything around here. If the Chiefs could have themselves a couple of good drafts they'll be making noise in a few years.

Yeah, Stafford does have a lot of room to improve. He's 21 years old.

And of the Lions players I listed earlier, who on our roster would you rather have at their respective positions?

Matthew Stafford? Or Matt Cassel?

Calvin Johnson? Or Dwayne Bowe?

Kevin Smith? Or Jamaal Charles?

Ernie Sims? Or Mike Vrabel?

DeAndre Levy? Or Corey Mays?

Louis Delmas? Or John McGraw?

Comedy gold in 3...2...1...

keg in kc · 01-07-2010, 12:10 AM

The Lions have a goddamn roster full of elite talent following years and years of high draft picks, so you'd think they should get better faster than KC. But of course they already should have gotten better than KC, so who the **** knows.

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 12:11 AM

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The Lions have a goddamn roster full of elite talent following years and years of high draft picks, so you'd think they should get better faster than KC. But of course they already should have gotten better than KC, so who the **** knows.

They need a GM like Pioli... But the fuckers aren't getting him!

I'll say it again, too: Losing is a CANCER. Even when you're good, when you've been on a losing team you start losing just because you think you're supposed to and you're used to it. This is what has happened to the Royals (in small part), but I digress: If you go in there and clean fucking house, you get that old attitude out of the locker room, and replace it with enthusiasm, excitement and hope.

This is why I think this win we had Sunday was beyond amazing. It would have been worth a lost in 5 draft picks, cause all these guys are going to go through the WHOLE offseason kinda cocky and feeling like they're a good fucking team.

ChiefsCountry · 01-07-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, Stafford does have a lot of room to improve. He's 21 years old.

And of the Lions players I listed earlier, who on our roster would you rather have at their respective positions?

Matthew Stafford? Or Matt Cassel?

Calvin Johnson? Or Dwayne Bowe?

Kevin Smith? Or Jamaal Charles?

Ernie Sims? Or Mike Vrabel?

DeAndre Levy? Or Corey Mays?

Louis Delmas? Or John McGraw?

Comedy gold in 3...2...1...

Jamaal over Kevin Smith and we have Albert. Dorsey would fit in nice in Detroit.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-07-2010, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The Lions have a goddamn roster full of elite talent following years and years of high draft picks, so you'd think they should get better faster than KC. But of course they already should have gotten better than KC, so who the **** knows.

Really, all of their elite talent has been drafted in the last 3 years.

All of our elite talent has been drafted in the last 3 years.

Yeah, they've sucked forever, but they just started pulling their heads out of their asses recently.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-07-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Jamaal over Kevin Smith and we have Albert. Dorsey would fit in nice in Detroit.

I want to see Jamaal for another season before I can take him over Smith.

keg in kc · 01-07-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

All of our elite talent has been drafted in the last 3 years.

I tend to think most of our elite talent is going to be drafted in the next 2 years. Starting with pick 5 and then wherever we pick after 7-9/8-8/9-7. Cupboard's pretty bare here as it stands.

Brock · 01-07-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Not a whole staff full though, right?

Do you remember who they hired? I could think of one off the top of my head, Solari. Thats about it.

Paul Hackett.

Micjones · 01-07-2010, 12:16 AM

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I want to see Jamaal for another season before I can take him over Smith.

Really?

Jamaal just posted a better season this year than Kevin's rookie season.
Smith averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry this year.

He may prove to be the better long-term option because he's a bit sturdier than Charles, but as of right now? Charles for my money.

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I tend to think most of our elite talent is going to be drafted in the next 2 years. Starting with pick 5 and then wherever we pick after 7-9/8-8/9-7. Cupboard's pretty bare here as it stands.

Three top 50 draft picks (one in the top 5) is AWESOME!!! We will be able to address so many needs on this team, and with high-prospect players. Plus, maybe we can finally start getting away from this second round curse we've had going on. We get two chances to redeem ourselves!

keg in kc · 01-07-2010, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig

Three top 50 draft picks (one in the top 5) is AWESOME!!! We will be able to address so many needs on this team, and with high-prospect players.

Theoretically.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-07-2010, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Really?

Jamaal just posted a better season this year than Kevin's rookie season.
Smith averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry this year.

He may prove to be the better long-term option because he's a bit sturdier than Charles, but as of right now? Charles for my money.

I think Smith is an extremely underrated back - playing in Detroit means he's pretty much invisible to all but die-hards.

Jamaal's performed in EIGHT games - and I hope he can continue at this level - but let's not crown the kid just yet.

Both are young, both have a shit-ton of potential. I'm not sure I could pick one over the other just yet.

**Reaper16** · 01-07-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I want to see Jamaal for another season before I can take him over Smith.

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Really?

Jamaal just posted a better season this year than Kevin's rookie season.
Smith averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry this year.

He may prove to be the better long-term option because he's a bit sturdier than Charles, but as of right now? Charles for my money.

I'm on the Charles-is-****ing-good bandwagon. It'd be one thing if Jamaal merely had a very hot 8 game streak. Jamaal had that and more -- the best 8 game streak in NFL history (to begin as a starter).

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