NFL Draft McClain...Yes or No? - Page 8

talastan · 01-08-2010, 10:58 AM

I know the draftubators will be all over this w/ the "You don't draft a MLB in the top five!" argument. But after last night's preformance, as well as a very successful College season, would you take McClain with our pick at #5? Personally if Berry is off the board, I'd jump on the guy. He's not only a gifted athlete but a very intellectual player.

Sweet Dick Willy · 01-10-2010, 02:40 PM

@ Goodbye New England.

Sweet Dick Willy · 01-10-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Rolando McClain is the best ILB prospect this decade, period. I like him as a better LB prospect than Curry or Willis when they came out. He's not quite the athletic freak, but he moves so well for a guy that is 6'4" 260. He's not the sideline-to-sideline gazelle that Curry is, but he is a beast against the run, a great inside blitzer, and has perfect technique.

He's been a coach on the field since he was a freshman and has mastered Saban's 3-4 scheme. Unlike most LBs, we won't have to project how he will transition to the 3-4 - we have three years of film to rely on. Saban said he is the smartest player he has ever coached and is a tireless worker both in practice and in film sessions.

We've had some good luck with Butkus award winners from Alabama too.

So much defensive talent in this draft. If we take O-line in round 1, we are seriously managed by an idiot.

RustShack · 01-10-2010, 03:08 PM

OK let me get this straight. If Pioli thinks Bryant, Okung, or McClain can be impact players... its OK to reach on them. But if he thinks Tyson Jackson is an impact player... its not OK to reach for him?

Sweet Dick Willy · 01-10-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

OK let me get this straight. If Pioli thinks Bryant, Okung, or McClain can be impact players... its OK to reach on them. But if he thinks Tyson Jackson is an impact player... its not OK to reach for him?

If Pioli thinks or thought that Jackson was an impact player, I weep for the future.

RustShack · 01-10-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willy

If Pioli thinks or thought that Jackson was an impact player, I weep for the future.

Patriots fans probably thought the same thing when they reached on Richard Seymour too

**BossChief** · 01-10-2010, 05:36 PM

Tyson Jackson will heavily impact our rush defense and allow a rushbacker to excel once he is up to speed.

I dont want some fool to come in and tell me how he was the worst end in the NFL either, judging rookie DL is like judging rookie qbs. It is shortsighted and shows a lack of understanding of the requirements of the position and how long it takes players to learn it.

To win in the playoffs, you have to have a good rush defense and that was our biggest weakness in the last decade. If we are building a team for two to three years from now, that puts the timeline of TJ being up to speed at about the time we are hopefully in the race.

We might have done better with a few other players at that pick, but the TJ pick is nowhere near as bad of a pick as some here make it out to be.

IMHO of course

RustShack · 01-10-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Tyson Jackson will heavily impact our rush defense and allow a rushbacker to excel once he is up to speed.

I dont want some fool to come in and tell me how he was the worst end in the NFL either, judging rookie DL is like judging rookie qbs. It is shortsighted and shows a lack of understanding of the requirements of the position and how long it takes players to learn it.

To win in the playoffs, you have to have a good rush defense and that was our biggest weakness in the last decade. If we are building a team for two to three years from now, that puts the timeline of TJ being up to speed at about the time we are hopefully in the race.

We might have done better with a few other players at that pick, but the TJ pick is nowhere near as bad of a pick as some here make it out to be.

IMHO of course

This. If it were a good year with elite talent its a different story.. but no one really jumped out last year like most years.

Sweet Dick Willy · 01-10-2010, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

This. If it were a good year with elite talent its a different story.. but no one really jumped out last year like most years.

Yep, that Crabtree fellow would have been no help to us whatsoever.

RustShack · 01-10-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willy

Yep, that Crabtree fellow would have been no help to us whatsoever.

Hes not as good of a prospect as your making him out to be. Its not like we passed on Calvin Johnson... its more we passed on Rashan Woods.

Brock · 01-10-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Hes not as good of a prospect as your making him out to be. Its not like we passed on Calvin Johnson... its more we passed on Rashan Woods.

What a stupid thing to say. Woods caught 7 passes in his rookie year.

Sweet Dick Willy · 01-10-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Hes not as good of a prospect as your making him out to be. Its not like we passed on Calvin Johnson... its more we passed on Rashan Woods.

Only Chambers put up more yards( 105 more )than Crabtree who didn't play for the first 6 weeks of the season.

But he's no Dez Bryant...

**BossChief** · 01-10-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willy

Yep, that Crabtree fellow would have been no help to us whatsoever.

Im sure that most people at the Coalition (where I was still mostly posting at prior to the draft) can tell you that my #1 preference was Orakpo, #2 was Crabtree (though his immaturity bothered me) #3 was Raji (but his stupidity was a huge red flag for a pick that high. After getting the money he could have fell off the map due to lack of intelligence issues on or off the field)

I still believe any of the three would have been better picks, but lets let it play out to see why Pioli (and a few other gms) thought TJ was worth such a high pick.

Sweet Dick Willy · 01-10-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Im sure that most people at the Coalition (where I was still mostly posting at prior to the draft) can tell you that my #1 preference was Orakpo, #2 was Crabtree (though his immaturity bothered me) #3 was Raji (but his stupidity was a huge red flag for a pick that high. After getting the money he could have fell off the map due to lack of intelligence issues on or off the field)

I still believe any of the three would have been better picks, but lets let it play out to see why Pioli (and a few other gms) thought TJ was worth such a high pick.

As if we have a choice. Besides, it's what Pioli does THIS year that sets the tone for success or FAIL.
If ever there were NO margin for error in an off season, this would be it.

**BossChief** · 01-10-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willy

As if we have a choice. Besides, it's what Pioli does THIS year that sets the tone for success or FAIL.
If ever there were NO margin for error in an off season, this would be it.

I agree. My question is that if he was laying the foundation for future talent to be able to come in and produce by taking a player like TJ, why didnt he also try to improve the OL in a draft where we could have had some good prospects in the middle rounds.

ChiefsCountry · 01-10-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Patriots fans probably thought the same thing when they reached on Richard Seymour too

Drafting a 4-3 DT is different than drafting a 3 tech DE.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1585912	Tyson Jackson will heavily impact our rush defense and allow a rushbacker to excel once he is up to speed. I dont want some fool to come in and tell me how he was the worst end in the NFL either, judging rookie DL is like judging rookie qbs. It is shortsighted and shows a lack of understanding of the requirements of the position and how long it takes players to learn it. To win in the playoffs, you have to have a good rush defense and that was our biggest weakness in the last decade. If we are building a team for two to three years from now, that puts the timeline of TJ being up to speed at about the time we are hopefully in the race. We might have done better with a few other players at that pick, but the TJ pick is nowhere near as bad of a pick as some here make it out to be. IMHO of course __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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