Chiefs What if Charles really did get more carries? Wicket stat. - Page 8

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2010, 11:37 AM

He could break off 2K in our system, that's what.

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• Jamaal Charles (notes)

The Kansas City Chiefs running back had 14 touches for 153 total yards and a touchdown, and helped ease the load for the returning Matt Cassel (notes). His 80-yard run late in the fourth quarter – on the Chiefs’ first snap after the Rams pulled within 20-13 – locked the game up. Here’s a wicked stat: Charles has 1,961 rushing yards in his last 17 games. And he did that on only 297 carries. That’s a staggering average of 6.6 yards per carry.

-King- · 12-20-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Hard to take you seriously when you can't get your facts straight.

He had the two straight drops in Indy, not Houston.

I don't recall a drop in Houston. Feel free to show evidence to the contrary.

The drop in Oakland. That's three.

Ok, got my teams mixed up. Still, so he has 3 drops in just those games. In the other games he has only 2?

You've said it yourself that the drop stat is a bullshit stat. How can you say that and then say that you trust it?

nstygma · 12-20-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, I'm sure that is it.

houston game, 4th quarter
(:22) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass incomplete short middle to 82-D.Bowe
would you call that a drop?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-20-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Ok, got my teams mixed up. Still, so he has 3 drops in just those games. In the other games he has only 2?

You've said it yourself that the drop stat is a bullshit stat. How can you say that and then say that you trust it?

I said it was reeruned.

And I still feel that way. Not because I think the data is inaccurate, but that people here continue to bitch about what is and what isn't a drop.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-20-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nstygma

houston game, 4th quarter
(:22) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass incomplete short middle to 82-D.Bowe
would you call that a drop?

How in the hell can anyone classify that a drop without seeing the play?

nstygma · 12-20-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

How in the hell can anyone classify that a drop without seeing the play?

thought you had the games saved for some reason.
i just looked up a few of his incompletes and viewed the plays to check them out. thats the only one i saw in that game that could be a drop. i personally wouldn't count that because it was thrown behind him even though he should have caught it. however, there's no way to know how STATS defines drops, is there

**SAUTO** · 12-20-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The criteria has been set. It's the same this year as it was last year, when no one had any complaints about the number of passes they claimed Bowe dropped.

actually some people doubted these stats last year also.

**SAUTO** · 12-20-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I said it was reeruned.

And I still feel that way. Not because I think the data is inaccurate, but that people here continue to bitch about what is and what isn't a drop.

thats because there is NO set criteria.

and i believe that Bowe has done a much better job of acutually catching the ball this year.

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2010, 04:27 AM

Charles injury update (CBS Rapid Reports):

RB Jamaal Charles was understandably sore on Monday, but there were no other long term problems from the cramping he suffered in both legs during Sunday's game in St. Louis. Charles fought through those cramps to run for 126 yards, including an 80-yard run.

Chiefs=Champions · 12-21-2010, 05:39 AM

this is some funny shit right here. the drops debate.

I would say that this STATS site is probably correct, or maybe 1 or 2 off.

I think people are just stuck with this mindset that Bowe drops a lot of passes (which he did in prior years) and are now convinced that he still does..

-King- · 12-21-2010, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

this is some funny shit right here. the drops debate.

I would say that this STATS site is probably correct, or maybe 1 or 2 off.

I think people are just stuck with this mindset that Bowe drops a lot of passes (which he did in prior years) and are now convinced that he still does..

I think Bowe is a top 10 WR and has some of the best talent in the NFL as a receiver. But to think that he has only dropped 5 passes is crazy.

-King- · 12-21-2010, 06:09 AM

Just looked it up. Charles has 74 less carries than Arian Foster and only 42 less yards. If he had the same number of carries as Foster, he would have 1776 yards right now.

Commit2Excellence · 12-21-2010, 12:45 PM

When it comes to drops the statisticians are a lot more forgiving then coaches. If a guy makes a diving attempt at a catch down on 1 knee and drops it the stat keepers won't often call that a drop...but the coaches will.

So, basically, if the stats call it a drop it REALLY is a drop.

Hydrae · 12-21-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

this is some funny shit right here. the drops debate.

I would say that this STATS site is probably correct, or maybe 1 or 2 off.

I think people are just stuck with this mindset that Bowe drops a lot of passes (which he did in prior years) and are now convinced that he still does..

The main point people seem to be ignoring is that when comparing Bowe to other WRs in the league, the criteria is the same for them all. Whether you agree with the stats as presented or not, all players are being judged in the same manner and are thus compared with each other on an even level.

milkman · 12-21-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

The main point people seem to be ignoring is that when comparing Bowe to other WRs in the league, the criteria is the same for them all. Whether you agree with the stats as presented or not, all players are being judged in the same manner and are thus compared with each other on an even level.

Solid.

**mlyonsd** · 12-21-2010, 01:39 PM

I'd suggest searching the forum for 'bowe is back', then divide the total results found by the number of active users on the board.

That sould get you pretty close to number of drops he's had.

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Chiefs=Champions Training Camp Hero Join Date: Oct 2006 Casino cash: $8054801	this is some funny shit right here. the drops debate. I would say that this STATS site is probably correct, or maybe 1 or 2 off. I think people are just stuck with this mindset that Bowe drops a lot of passes (which he did in prior years) and are now convinced that he still does..
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Commit2Excellence Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	When it comes to drops the statisticians are a lot more forgiving then coaches. If a guy makes a diving attempt at a catch down on 1 knee and drops it the stat keepers won't often call that a drop...but the coaches will. So, basically, if the stats call it a drop it REALLY is a drop.
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mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $-1996238	I'd suggest searching the forum for 'bowe is back', then divide the total results found by the number of active users on the board. That sould get you pretty close to number of drops he's had.
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