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OT 57 27.01%
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:21 PM  
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I'd go with NT, WR, OLB....with OT and C "next." Backup/QOTF would be a late round target.

Pick three/four in the draft, and get the other two in FA.

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Old 01-10-2011, 04:13 PM   #106
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It was a dumb plan. **** keeping people "fresh". Do the Pats keep Brady fresh? KC got lucky San Diego floundered down the stretch.
whats that have to do with Charles getting hurt? This really isnt making sense....
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:14 PM   #107
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i picked NT/WR/RT (though you could argue C is as needy as RT)

..i can't believe we're going in to year 3 of 3-4 with Edwards as NT....imagine our D with Raji instead of Jackson...

i would love to get Powe, but doubt he last till the low 2nd

we need a FA WR and a draft pick WR...

take the best OL/WR/3-4LB available in the 1st....



we need a late round rb, or a vet FA pickup too..jones is toast...
I am very interested in seeing if the Chiefs are going to be players in the FA period this year...
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:16 PM   #108
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Yes, a quarterback and a RB are the exact same animal.

I mean no team in the league has instituted a timeshare at RB. None of them.

Did we not enter the playoffs with a rested Jamaal Charles playing some of his best football of the year? Yes, yes we did. And was Charles not a guy that was subject to getting dinged up all season? Why yes, yes he was.

So I'm flummoxed that some people seem hell-bent on ignoring the wisdom in doing what we could to ensure that our most dangerous weapon was available for the most important part of our season.
You can't run the guy 400 times a year, I get that. But, you also can't be afraid to use your best players. If he's their playmaker, he has to be ready when they need him. In the future, without one of the weakest schedules in the league, they'll need him a lot more. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's up to the task.
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:17 PM   #109
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Charles appeared to have been injured when he did a dumb thing and tried to run someone over on the sideline.

Look at how he was used in the 2nd quarter. It appears to me the plan was to keep him fresh during the regular season and take the governor off a bit during the post-season. He appeared on his way to that kind of game before the Refs let the Ravens dogpile him and he made a poor decision on the sidelines.

Just because the plan didn't go to script doesn't mean it wasn't a good plan. He was fresh and at his best for the playoff run. Then he got injured - shit happens.
I'm calling bullshit on Charles being injured.

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Upon further review, you're absolutely right, IMO.

Neither you nor I believe in the bullshit excuse that Charles was injured.

So I just went back and charted every snap Charles took on offense AFTER the supposed injury.

Charles was on the field for 15 snaps after the "injury."

2 carries, including the infamous 4th and a foot.

He was sent into a pass route 5 times, being targeted once, with that being a 15 yard reception.

He was used in pass protection EIGHT times. He picked up a rusher on 3 occasions - against Jameel McClain, Haruki Namamura and Danelle Ellerbe. He whiffed on a pickup attempt on LaDarius Webb.

15 snaps.

3 touches.

Injury my ass.
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I am very interested in seeing if the Chiefs are going to be players in the FA period this year...
seems to me they have to....we need more help at WR than a rookie can provide...we need more help/depth at OL too

you could bag a vet RB for reasonable $$$
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seems to me they have to....we need more help at WR than a rookie can provide...we need more help/depth at OL too

you could bag a vet RB for reasonable $$$
If that happens then it sets up for drafting some Line help in the first few rounds...
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I'm calling bullshit on Charles being injured.
I think it was the Weis flu...
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I'm calling bullshit on Charles being injured.
Then what?
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:20 PM   #114
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I'm calling bullshit on Charles being injured.
As is certainly your prerogative.

But do you really believe they froze him out? I think coaches have some serious egos to them, but I don't think so poorly of them that I truly believe they were icing Charles for the sake of assuaging their own egos.

There is nothing to be gained by sitting him, especially not when they showed they would use him repeatedly early in the game (to great success no less).

If you don't like the injury explanation, what explanation do you like?

When you hear hoofprints, don't go looking for zebras. The conspiracy angles are pretty damn farfetched. Meanwhile, Charles stopped getting the rock after he put his head down and tried to lay out a tackler. Immediately afterward he was laying on the sideline for a spell, never to return to heavy usage.

Occam's razor speaks quite loudly here, IMO.
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jesus god, does the sanctimonious bullshit from you ever stop?


and to top it off, you literally don't know what you're talking about when it comes to chiefs players and their histories on this board...

you are literally ignorant on the subject


for all that is holy shut the **** up
Shut the **** up, you flip-flopping douchebag. I know what I'm talking about regarding what's happened since I've been here, which is what I was referring to, and what DJ's and I were posting about.
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As is certainly your prerogative.

But do you really believe they froze him out? I think coaches have some serious egos to them, but I don't think so poorly of them that I truly believe they were icing Charles for the sake of assuaging their own egos.

There is nothing to be gained by sitting him, especially not when they showed they would use him repeatedly early in the game (to great success no less).

If you don't like the injury explanation, what explanation do you like?

When you hear hoofprints, don't go looking for zebras. The conspiracy angles are pretty damn farfetched. Meanwhile, Charles stopped getting the rock after he put his head down and tried to lay out a tackler. Immediately afterward he was laying on the sideline for a spell, never to return to heavy usage.

Occam's razor speaks quite loudly here, IMO.
Dude, he didn't sit. That's the thing.

You're telling me was was too injured to get the ball - while getting it 3 times, including on the most important play of the game to that point - but he was OK enough to be used EIGHT times in pass protection, picking up the blitz 3 times and fanning once?

If he was hurt, as Haley has implied, he shouldn't have been on the field. He certainly shouldn't have been used in pass protection.

But he was on the field. Quite a bit, in fact.

We just quit using him for anything productive.
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:24 PM   #118
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That's exactly what's been done.
No, it's not. Come on, you know that. Jackson and Cassel never stood a chance with a group here, and the bitching about McCluster has been like that, although to a lesser extent.

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There are many people that think any criticism or evaluation of a rookie is unfair or dishonest because "he just needs more time!!!!" and sometimes that's just assinine.

Sometimes a bad player is just bad from the get go.
I agree with this. One extreme is as bad as the other.
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Dude, he didn't sit. That's the thing.

You're telling me was was too injured to get the ball - while getting it 3 times, including on the most important play of the game to that point - but he was OK enough to be used EIGHT times in pass protection, picking up the blitz 3 times and fanning once?

If he was hurt, as Haley has implied, he shouldn't have been on the field.

But he was on the field. Quite a bit, in fact.

We just quit using him for anything productive.
I'm saying we stopped using him heavily.

If you've got a guy out there nursing a stinger, a concussion or a bum hip (who the hell knows what he hurt), then you don't stop using him entirely - you just stop using him as heavily.

I ask again - what's your explanation? Are you really just going to say "They were too stupid to know he's good..." -- seriously? C'mon, they ran the guy heavily during their offense's most productive period. Oh, and he nearly set a record for YPC. The staff knows he's good. Alternatively -- do you believe Weis and/or Haley were trying to prove a point? Because I'm pretty sure you don't prove anything by pissing down your leg in a playoff game. I don't think icing Charles proves anything.

If you're going to say the simplest explanation is inaccurate, you have to proffer a reasonable alternative. To this point, I've yet to see one. What I know is that he was used heavily for a spell of effective football. Then he lowered his should to deliver a hit against a bigger guy, got treatment on the sideline and was not used nearly as frequently for the rest of the game (nor was he as effective when he was being used).

If he was out there in pass pro, perhaps it was a decoy effect. If he was getting the ball on the 4th down, perhaps it was because that was one of those times where you go to your ace, even if you think he only has a carry or two left in him.

The alternatives just don't make a lot of sense.
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