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['Hamas' Jenkins]

What else can you really say? This is a terrible football team.

What does it portend? That's a little harder to say.

1) I was willing to grant Haley some slack after the disastrous season opener, but seeing how this team responded, and how it has responded the last four games, he needs to be a dead man walking. The problem with Haley is the problem that happens with any hothead, whether it's Lou Piniella, Bobby Valentine, or Mangino: no one wants to play for, or listen to a prick when they are losing. If he could command respect it's one thing, but being a failed golfer who got into the NFL through daddy connections will kill him in a situation like this. It's the height of irony, really.

That team has a lot of quit in it.

2) Pioli may be one of the luckiest men in the NFL if this team is as bad as it looks right now. His own mismanagement of the team could literally cause the franchise to fall ass over teakettle into Andrew Luck, a pick for which he would take all the credit.

3) Romeo's defense is antiquated. You can't sit back and wait for a QB to pick you apart in a league where corners can't jam and you only have one legitimate pass rusher. This team needs to be shooting gaps and leaning on its corners, not expecting the linebackers and safeties to cover down the field or in the seams.

4) The telephone game is one of many things killing the offense. You can't say that multiple relays/filters is a good idea in a situation like that. It's one more potential area for failure. You don't need four sticks of RAM that have the same total capacity as two would.

5) The injuries have been disastrous, but you can't dodge that bug forever. I read an NFL preview on Grantland where Bill Barnwell pointed out the staggeringly low number of games lost by the Chiefs last year. This is the unlucky flip side of that coin. Given the schedule and the lack of focus, it's not the worst of all possible breaks to have it happen this year.

What can you say, really?

A lot of this stems from the 2009 offseason. By trading for Cassel in February, Pioli effectively passed on both Stafford and Sanchez. He hired Haley, a guy who looks daily more like the Reno airshow, and he made possibly the worst pick in Chiefs history at #3, and followed it up with maybe the worst draft in Chiefs history.

The ideology behind the roster construction is totally bankrupt, so it's hard to have much of any faith at this point.

[Bowser]

The fact that we're getting ready for week 3 and having a discussion, with merit, about if the team has quit on the coach is just a straight up embarassment.

[rocknrolla]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I agree with the dramatic changes NFL defenses need to undergo as a result of the "new" way of playing.



Yeah, because evening out a good year injury-wise is to have season-ending injuries to two if not three of the top five (top three?) players on the team. Oh, and to have them VERY early in the season.




The top of the draft that year has been pretty damn mediocre overall. You can argue for Sanchez, of course, but I'm not sure how many pro bowls the entire top of that draft has been to. It wasn't only the Chiefs struggling to make a good choice high in that draft.

Raji's been the only real stud out of teh top 10. So far, Sanchez isn't in that category yet due to pedestrian numbers in the regular season, and Stafford can't stay on the field enough. We'll see where those two go, of course...

Just sayin'.


1 Lions Matthew Stafford QB
2 Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB
5 Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 Jaguars Eugene Monroe OT
9 Packers B.J. Raji DT
10 49ers Michael Crabtree WR
11 Bills Aaron Maybin DE
12 Broncos Knowshon Moreno RB
13 Redskins Brian Orakpo DE
14 Saints Malcolm Jenkins CB
15 Texans Brian Cushing OLB
16 Chargers Larry English DE
17 Buccaneers Josh Freeman QB
18 Broncos Robert Ayers LB
19 Eagles Jeremy Maclin WR
20 Lions Brandon Pettigrew TE
21 Browns Alex Mack C
22 Vikings Percy Harvin WR
23 Ravens Michael Oher OT
24 Falcons Peria Jerry DT
25 Dolphins Vontae Davis CB
26 Packers Clay Matthews OLB
27 Colts Donald Brown RB
28 Bills Eric Wood C
29 Giants Hakeem Nicks WR
30 Titans Kenny Britt WR
31 Cardinals Chris Wells RB
32 Steelers Evander Hood DT

Seeing that list makes me puke!

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Amazingly enough, I don't get paid for my football decisions, and yet the results would largely be similar to someone making $5 mil a year.

I'll put it in other words. I'll bet you make a fraction of what Pioli does. It doesn't take terribly long to learn what you do, I have a basic understanding of what you do, I've taken a Basic Aviation course, and yet I'd guarantee the gulf in results between me flying and you flying is far beyond that of me picking players and a guy making $5 million.

Think about that for a second.

If you can't see that disconnect, I don't know what to tell you.

My question to you is, Why are you not an NFL scout? If you can prove your track record, why dont you leave here and do something that you feel you have a knack at. You seem to have the passion for it.

I dont need to hear how great you are and how "spot on, as usual" you are... I would like to see some real life results, not message board I told you so's...

You are right, it doesnt take terribly long to do what I do... Most people who want to become airline pilots spend around 3-4 years getting a degree and building enough hours and experience to get to a small regional airline. Then some people can pay a serious amount of cash and fast track it. But normally people go to school get all the ratings, instruct new students, build time and real life flying experience. Then move on to the intense type rating for an airline. After landing at a Regional, they spend another 3-7 years of flying some crappy schedule and training before they can be picked up by the big boys.... Then the intense type rating training starts all over.. So to get to the Pinnacle of your flying career, it normally takes around 10 years or so...

For me, I am chose to stick with the corporate life. I fly less, make a fraction of with Pioli makes. But for me, life is pretty dang good.. No complaints here.

Hell in my opinion, I am a better GM that Pioli, I would of drafted Sanchez not Jackson nor would of I traded for Cassel...

[Brock]

Yeah, same old "if you know so much why aren't you working in the NFL" bullshit. It's a message board for opinions, dumbass.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Brock

Yeah, same old "if you know so much why aren't you working in the NFL" bullshit. It's a message board for opinions, dumbass.

Wow, Well done Brock... Read much?

"Amazingly enough, I don't get paid for my football decisions, and yet the results would largely be similar to someone making $5 mil a year."

[Titty Meat]

Reerun has replaced Laz as the biggest cry baby on the board.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC

Wow, Well done Brock... Read much?

"Amazingly enough, I don't get paid for my football decisions, and yet the results would largely be similar to someone making $5 mil a year."

Apparently you have trouble understanding what words mean.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

We've got a good number of pieces for the 3-4. It'd be reeruned to switch back now.

Amazingly enough we still have a number of good pieces for the 4-3 as well. We are 2 or 3 players away from having either one.

[Bowser]

Rerun lets his healthy dislike of Hamas get in the way of an honest football discussion, again.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Brock

Apparently you have trouble understanding what words mean.

Yeah Apparently, But I want to think you for noticing and caring so much about me and my posts...

Thank you Brock... We will always be friends...

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Rerun lets his healthy dislike of Hamas get in the way of an honest football discussion, again.

Actually Bowser, I was discussing the thread he posted about his baby girls with my wife (NICU nurse) last night...

Not only did she get pretty frustrated with me for being a tool to Hamas (regardless of how he treated people here) But that I should of told her about his situation with his girls. She could of offered alot of advice and comfort to him and his family through me, since she deals with that on a daily basis.

She told me some stories last night that would just rip your heart out. I really felt bad...

So Hamas, I want to apologize for the past, present and future of being a tool to you. I am sorry.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

1) Moeaki was not one of the five best players on the team, and definitely not top 3. In fact, he'd had a horrible preseason. Charles and Berry, yeah, that's a killer, but teams get decimated by injuries sometimes (Green Bay)

I thought he was based on the (over?) reactions around here when he went out, but I dont' pretend to knwo the Chiefs' roster that well. Fine, put him aside -- I'm not sure you have a better defensive player than Berry, or a better offensive one than Charles, so it's still really freaking devastating to lose those two.

But yes, injuries are part of the game, and no injury can excuse the two blowouts the Chiefs have suffered.

2) Your claim about the top of the draft lacking weight would have more merit had we drafted someone who was considered a prospect worthy of the top of the draft at that time. Sadly, we picked a guy who was around the 15-20th best prospect and paid him #3 money at a position of moderate impact.

I agree to an extent. I acknowledge that many, including many on here, thought Jackson was taken far too highly even when he was taken. The issue is, when you look at the entire top 10+, is you can see how teams were clearly struggling to judge the value of these guys in a relatively weak draft class. Or, at least, a "weak at the top" draft class.

If you are moving to a 3-4 and you want defense to be that first pick, it's not like Orakpo and Raji weren't considered better prospects than Jackson, they undoubtedly were. They also play more important positions to the defense. Clay Matthews was in the same realm as Tyson Jackson; mid-late first rounder.

Well, Raji went 9 and Orakpo went 13th, so others in the top 10 weren't thinking they'd be superstars either, apparently, by and large. Looking back now, obviously you'd take a Raji, Orakpo or Matthews. But Matthews went 26th for chrissakes, and the Patriots traded OUT of that spot, sliding back to take the now-cut Darius Butler (kill me now), so it's fair to say not many thought he'd be the second-coming back when the draft was going on.

Kudos to the Packers. They KILLED that draft, which paved the path to their SB last year.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by rocknrolla

Seeing that list makes me puke!

Why? It's obvious ALOT of teams failed to do a good job of judging the talent there. You can't just look at the two or three good picks that were made later in the round and think that your GM clearly sucks. Clearly, as to 2009, MOST GMs sucked, under that theory.

[Amnorix]

I just randomly picked the 2004 draft to comapre 2009 to:


1 1 San Diego Chargers Manning, EliEli Manning† QB Ole Miss SEC traded to New York Giants[5]
1 2 Oakland Raiders Gallery, RobertRobert Gallery OT Iowa Big Ten
1 3 Arizona Cardinals Fitzgerald, LarryLarry Fitzgerald† WR Pittsburgh Big East
1 4 New York Giants Rivers, PhilipPhilip Rivers† QB NC State ACC traded to San Diego[6]
1 5 Washington Redskins Taylor, SeanSean Taylor† S Miami (FL) Big East
1 6 Cleveland Browns Winslow II, KellenKellen Winslow II† TE Miami (FL) Big East from Detroit[7]
1 7 Detroit Lions Williams, RoyRoy Williams† WR Texas Big 12 from Cleveland[7]
1 8 Atlanta Falcons Hall, DeAngeloDeAngelo Hall† CB Virginia Tech Big East
1 9 Jacksonville Jaguars Williams, ReggieReggie Williams WR Washington Pac-10
1 10 Houston Texans Robinson, DuntaDunta Robinson CB South Carolina SEC
1 11 Pittsburgh Steelers Roethlisberger, BenBen Roethlisberger† QB Miami (OH) MAC
1 12 New York Jets Vilma, JonathanJonathan Vilma† LB Miami (FL) Big East
1 13 Buffalo Bills Evans, LeeLee Evans WR Wisconsin Big Ten
1 14 Chicago Bears Harris, TommieTommie Harris† DT Oklahoma Big 12
1 15 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Clayton, MichaelMichael Clayton WR LSU SEC
1 16 Philadelphia Eagles Andrews, ShawnShawn Andrews† OT Arkansas SEC from San Francisco[7]
1 17 Denver Broncos Williams, D. J.D. J. Williams LB Miami (FL) Big East from Cincinnati[7]
1 18 New Orleans Saints Smith, WillWill Smith† DE Ohio State Big Ten
1 19 Miami Dolphins Carey, VernonVernon Carey OT Miami (FL) Big East from Minnesota[7]
1 20 Minnesota Vikings Udeze, KenechiKenechi Udeze DE USC Pac-10 from Miami[7]
1 21 New England Patriots Wilfork, VinceVince Wilfork† DT Miami (FL) Big East from Baltimore[7]
1 22 Buffalo Bills Losman, J. P.J. P. Losman QB Tulane C-USA from Dallas[8]
1 23 Seattle Seahawks Tubbs, MarcusMarcus Tubbs DT Texas Big 12
1 24 St. Louis Rams Jackson, StevenSteven Jackson† RB Oregon State Pac-10 from Denver via Cincinnati[7]
1 25 Green Bay Packers Carroll, AhmadAhmad Carroll CB Arkansas SEC
1 26 Cincinnati Bengals Perry, ChrisChris Perry RB Michigan Big Ten from St. Louis[7]
1 27 Houston Texans Babin, JasonJason Babin† DE Western Michigan MAC from Tennessee[7]
1 28 Carolina Panthers Gamble, ChrisChris Gamble CB Ohio State Big Ten from Philadelphia via San Francisco[7]
1 29 Atlanta Falcons Jenkins, MichaelMichael Jenkins WR Ohio State Big Ten from Indianapolis[7]
1 30 Detroit Lions Jones, KevinKevin Jones RB Virginia Tech Big East from Kansas City[7]
1 31 San Francisco 49ers Woods, RashaunRashaun Woods WR Oklahoma State Big 12 from Carolina[7]
1 32 New England Patriots Watson, BenjaminBenjamin Watson TE Georgia SEC


This is the kind of draft you kill your GM for if he scrwes up at the top of the round. A ton of great talent was all over this round, so if you missed your pick, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by Brianfo

Is portend a word? I feel dumber after reading your post.

Wow.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/portend

por·tend
   [pawr-tend, pohr-] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to indicate in advance; to foreshadow or presage, as an omen does: The street incident may portend a general uprising.
2.
to signify; mean.

You obviously have the internet... look it up before you mock someone.