Chiefs Re-Signing Brandon Carr: What Do You Do - Page 8

Direckshun · 12-05-2011, 01:41 AM

There's about four more week of football ahead of us.

We've managed to wrap up Brandon Flowers during the season, Tamba Hali this offseason, DJ and Jamaal Charles last offseason...

This offseason, we have two very important players hitting free agency, and one franchise tag.

The tag goes to Bowe, no sweat. It's impossible to find franchise WRs, and when you have one, you must keep it. He's Top 10 at his position. Carr, for all his talent, is not. He's maybe top 25.

But what would you do if:

Carr (or, more likely, his agent) knows Carr is bound to be drastically overpaid on the free agent market, as young talent almost always is.

He knows the Chiefs desperately want Carr to stay on board. And the Chiefs have no leverage to keep him on board because their franchise tag is tied up with Bowe.

So knowing he has ALL the leverage in this situation, Carr opens big:

"I want 5 years, $50 million, $22 million guaranteed.

Just like my teammate, Brandon Flowers." (And other top flight corners like Johnathan Joseph, who got almost the exact same deal.)

You can haggle with Carr, but keep in mind, you're incredibly time-pressured, and Carr knows he has the leverage here. Even if you get him to come down, it's going to be nickels and dimes lower, not much else.

Do you (a.) sign Carr to a damn near identical deal to Brandon Flowers, or (b.)let Carr walk and just collect the 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick next year.

That's likely going to be our options at this point, folks.

Poll forthcoming.

htismaqe · 12-05-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Let's see the Chiefs have more money to spend than any other team so they have no excuse. Oh and on top of that, this perception that Flowers is so much better than Carr is ridiculous, watch how teams play us, they treat Carr like he's the better one, far less balls go to his receiver.

Kevin Harlan said many weeks ago that, when he interviewed the QB up in Buffalo, that Fitzpatrick said everybody knows that Carr is the guy to avoid, not Flowers...

Hammock Parties · 12-05-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Let's see the Chiefs have more money to spend than any other team so they have no excuse. Oh and on top of that, this perception that Flowers is so much better than Carr is ridiculous, watch how teams play us, they treat Carr like he's the better one, far less balls go to his receiver.

Not so much. Carr has been thrown at 58 times, Flowers 61.

But I think they are just about the same guy, value-wise. Flowers is better at defending shorter routes, Carr is a better deep-ball defender.

Mecca · 12-05-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Not so much. Carr has been thrown at 58 times, Flowers 61.

But I think they are just about the same guy, value-wise. Flowers is better at defending shorter routes, Carr is a better deep-ball defender.

Hasn't Flowers been beat a ton more times this year?

Either way the Chiefs have 0 excuse to lose any good player they have when they have such a huge amount of money to spend.

Hammock Parties · 12-05-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Hasn't Flowers been beat a ton more times this year?

Either way the Chiefs have 0 excuse to lose any good player they have when they have such a huge amount of money to spend.

Yeah, Flowers has given up 8 TDs.

But 3 of them came against Calvin Johnson.

Other than that he actually has a higher coverage rating.

I do agree that Carr needs to be resigned, though.

**HemiEd** · 12-05-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Hasn't Flowers been beat a ton more times this year?

Either way the Chiefs have 0 excuse to lose any good player they have when they have such a huge amount of money to spend.

Agreed. I wish they would pay Carr and Bowe, and get it over with.

jd1020 · 12-05-2011, 03:29 PM

Even if the Chiefs signed Carr to Flowers money, that's still less than the Jets have locked up in Revis/Cromartie. With 30mil to spend, wtf is the problem?

Micjones · 12-05-2011, 03:32 PM

Maybe the team is hoping that other teams will set the market for him?
I think that's a bad idea, but who knows with this FO?

Urc Burry · 12-05-2011, 03:34 PM

Carr is bigger and faster.. While Flowers is much more physical. They really are good compliments to each other. Carr is a must sign IMO. Most of our big contracts we have signed are front loaded and we still have some 20 mil to drop, I don't think money should be a problem

sedated · 12-05-2011, 03:35 PM

oh, and be sure to send your letters of appreciation to one Mr. Herman Edwards

Mecca · 12-05-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

oh, and be sure to send your letters of appreciation to one Mr. Herman Edwards

Funny how 95% of this teams good players are still Herm's guys.

jd1020 · 12-05-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Funny how 95% of this teams good players are still Herm's guys.

It really is... Who would have thought players got better after they got a little experience under their belt? Comparing Herms players to Pioli's rookie's is ****ing reeruned.

lcarus · 12-05-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Not so much. Carr has been thrown at 58 times, Flowers 61.

But I think they are just about the same guy, value-wise. Flowers is better at defending shorter routes, Carr is a better deep-ball defender.

Not to mention, it seems to me that Flowers is a really great tackler, and really great in run support on the edge.

Chiefnj2 · 12-05-2011, 03:44 PM

Clark "How many more tickets will I sell if I pay this Carr guy lots of money?"

Mecca · 12-05-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

It really is... Who would have thought players got better after they got a little experience under their belt? Comparing Herms players to Pioli's rookie's is ****ing reeruned.

Yea we can't judge Tyson Jackson, how dare we.

jd1020 · 12-05-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea we can't judge Tyson Jackson, how dare we.

Funny. Isn't Jackson doing better than Dorsey?

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	Re-Signing Brandon Carr: What Do You Do There's about four more week of football ahead of us. We've managed to wrap up Brandon Flowers during the season, Tamba Hali this offseason, DJ and Jamaal Charles last offseason... This offseason, we have two very important players hitting free agency, and one franchise tag. The tag goes to Bowe, no sweat. It's impossible to find franchise WRs, and when you have one, you must keep it. He's Top 10 at his position. Carr, for all his talent, is not. He's maybe top 25. But what would you do if: Carr (or, more likely, his agent) knows Carr is bound to be drastically overpaid on the free agent market, as young talent almost always is. He knows the Chiefs desperately want Carr to stay on board. And the Chiefs have no leverage to keep him on board because their franchise tag is tied up with Bowe. So knowing he has ALL the leverage in this situation, Carr opens big: "I want 5 years, $50 million, $22 million guaranteed. Just like my teammate, Brandon Flowers." (And other top flight corners like Johnathan Joseph, who got almost the exact same deal.) You can haggle with Carr, but keep in mind, you're incredibly time-pressured, and Carr knows he has the leverage here. Even if you get him to come down, it's going to be nickels and dimes lower, not much else. Do you (a.) sign Carr to a damn near identical deal to Brandon Flowers, or (b.)let Carr walk and just collect the 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick next year. That's likely going to be our options at this point, folks. Poll forthcoming.
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Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	Maybe the team is hoping that other teams will set the market for him? I think that's a bad idea, but who knows with this FO? __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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Urc Burry Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Casino cash: $8621048	Carr is bigger and faster.. While Flowers is much more physical. They really are good compliments to each other. Carr is a must sign IMO. Most of our big contracts we have signed are front loaded and we still have some 20 mil to drop, I don't think money should be a problem
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