Chiefs Clark Judge: Chiefs can't afford to take quarterback with first pick of draft - Page 8

Marco Polo · 02-14-2013, 11:07 AM

Cover of cbssports.com:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/cl...-pick-of-draft

With two months to go before commissioner Roger Goodell steps to the lecturn to open the NFL draft, I have a prediction: The Kansas City Chiefs don't choose a quarterback with the first pick.

Yeah, I know, they need one like L.A. needs mass transit, and they'd take one if there were an Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford available.

But there's not.
In fact, there's nobody even close, and if you think I'm kidding you weren't listening to what Frank Scelfo, Jacksonville's quarterbacks coach, said about Blaine Gabbert the other day -- namely, that if he were in this year's draft he'd be the No. 1 choice.

That should tell you something about the field. It should also tell you what the Chiefs' first move should be -- namely, anywhere but quarterback.

With the first choice you don't draft for need; you draft the best player out there. You go in one direction and one direction only, and that's for the sure thing. You absolutely, positively must be sold that whomever you choose steps in, starts and becomes the foundation of your franchise for the next 5-10 years.

So tell me which of these guys fits that description: Geno Smith? Matt Barkley? Tyler Wilson? Tyler Bray? All have holes in their games, and none is worth choosing with the first, second or third picks.

So that makes Kansas City's options easy: Either stay where you are and choose the best player -- a pass rusher, maybe, or a left tackle -- or find your quarterback with a later choice. The bottom line is that the Chiefs must be true to their board, choosing the guy at the top ... and I can't imagine any of these quarterbacks is anywhere near there.

In fact, one guy I trust who studied this class of quarterbacks thinks it's so underwhelming he's not sure there's a legit first-rounder in there.

I'm serious.

That doesn't mean there won't be a quarterback taken in the first round. Of course there will. There will be more than one. It's a passing league, and clubs that don't have good, young quarterbacks can't wait to get their hands on one. So they reach, just as teams did in the 2011 draft when four quarterbacks went with the first 12 picks, leaving Andy Dalton to Cincinnati in the second round.

Dalton is the only quarterback in that class to make the playoffs his first two seasons, and there's a lesson there for Kansas City: Don't overdraft the position.

"We never reached (when I was at Dallas) -- except for one time," said former Cowboys executive Gil Brandt. "We were supposed to take Joe Montana (in the third round of the 1979 draft), but we had three veteran quarterbacks, and (then coach) Tom Landry said, 'I can't carry four quarterbacks.' So we took Doug Cosbie instead."

Cosbie was a decent tight end who was named to three Pro Bowls, but Montana was a Hall-of-Fame quarterback who won four Super Bowls.

Everyone knows the Chiefs need someone to replace Matt Cassel, but not with the first pick of the 2013 draft they don't. They can find one by trading out and moving down or by staying put and choosing a quarterback at the top of the second round, much as San Diego did in 2001. Instead of taking Michael Vick with the first selection, the Bolts that year traded the pick to Atlanta, then tapped running back LaDainian Tomlinson with the pick acquired from the Falcons and quarterback Drew Brees at the top of the second round.

The problem for Kansas City is that it chose the wrong year to bottom out. The 2012 draft was the time and place to find a quarterback with a high draft pick, with Luck and Robert Griffin III the first two choices. It's not just that they were the two best quarterbacks out there; it's that they were at or near the top of everyone's boards. So Indianapolis took the best player in the draft; Washington took the second best, and that's the way it's supposed to go.

Which means you can scratch Kansas City from choosing a quarterback with the first pick for one very important reason: That player should be the best player in the draft, and there's not a quarterback who qualifies.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-14-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Peter King and Clark Judge write a lot of ****ing bullshit.

They're both too busy stroking off their sources within the league.

BOTH OF THEM were deep throating ***** and Cassel for YEARS.

So, what's your point?

Wasn't Cassel the UNDISPUTED starting QB during that time?

They're reporting information as they heard it directly from the GM.

Where's the fault in that?

B14ckmon · 02-14-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, by giving us your first this year, second this year, first and third next year and another first.

Was thinking more along the lines of kidnapping a family member of Reid's.

O.city · 02-14-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Was thinking more along the lines of kidnapping a family member of Reid's.

Might work.

Hammock Parties · 02-14-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, what's your point?

Wasn't Cassel the UNDISPUTED starting QB during that time?

They're reporting information as they heard it directly from the GM.

Where's the fault in that?

They weren't "reporting."

They were writing a lot of bullshit opinion fluff pieces propping up their GM buddies.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-14-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

They weren't "reporting."

They were writing a lot of bullshit opinion fluff pieces propping up their GM buddies.

That's called reporting.

They were passing on information directly from the horse's mouth.

Or in Pioli's case, the Peter Princilped East Coast clueless dickhead's mouth.

Hammock Parties · 02-14-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's called reporting.

They were passing on information directly from the horse's mouth.

Or in *****'s case, the Peter Princilped East Coast clueless dickhead's mouth.

Not really. Opinion pieces have little to do with reporting.

For four years all they did was say "Pioli great! Cassel great!"

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-14-2013, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Not really. Opinion pieces have little to do with reporting.

For four years all they did was say "***** great! Cassel great!"

Oh, I don't think those were opinion pieces, I read them as mouthpieces for Pioli, just like King reporting 3 days before the 2009 draft that Jackosn was the choice.

Hammock Parties · 02-14-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, I don't think those were opinion pieces, I read them as mouthpieces for *****, just like King reporting 3 days before the 2009 draft that Jackosn was the choice.

If the information they're getting from the GM is "I'm awesome. Matt Cassel is awesome. Write that," which is what they were writing more or less, then yeah, that's bullshit.

They're bullshit writers.

okcchief · 02-14-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, according to about a dozen Chiefsplanet members, EVERY national columnist is reeruned.

That estimate is way low dude.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-14-2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, according to about a dozen Chiefsplanet members, EVERY national columnist is reeruned.

most of them are, OR they are operating on some truly ****ed up agenda. Mellinger had promise, but he went kind of full reerun after peeholi was shitcanned.
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**DaneMcCloud** · 02-14-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie

most of them are, OR they are operating on some truly ****ed up agenda. Mellinger had promise, but he went kind of full reerun after peeholi was shitcanned.
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As much as Chiefsplanet members hate to hear it, guys like Mellinger are relying on their sources.

Again, a dozen or so people have been pushing their agenda for months.

If the Chiefs don't comply, this forum will be even more unbearable.

Hammock Parties · 02-14-2013, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As much as Chiefsplanet members hate to hear it, guys like Mellinger are relying on their sources.

Again, a dozen or so people have been pushing their agenda for months.

If the Chiefs don't comply, this forum will be even more unbearable.

Mellinger is a real journalist. He actually writes HIS opinion based on FACTS.

These other guys write blowjob columns to keep their sources happy. It's very, very clear what Clark Judge has been doing for years. He wrote about Carl Peterson and Scott ***** like they were the greatest GMs in the universe.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-14-2013, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Mellinger is a real journalist. He actually writes HIS opinion based on FACTS.

So when he says that there's no QB worth taking #1 overall and would likely be second rounders in any other draft, everyone should take that as fact?

I'm not sure if I'm following.

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

These other guys write blowjob columns to keep their sources happy. It's very, very clear what Clark Judge has been doing for years. He wrote about Carl Peterson and Scott ***** like they were the greatest GMs in the universe.

So if Clark Judge and others are feeding Chiefs fans with GM laden bullshit, what is the incentive for Chiefs fans to read his columns?

Hammock Parties · 02-14-2013, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So if Clark Judge and others are feeding Chiefs fans with GM laden bullshit, what is the incentive for Chiefs fans to read his columns?

So we can rage the **** out.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-15-2013, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

So we can rage the **** out.

lol this. Im just glad WE can sift through that horseshit as opposed to taking it as the gospel like so many unfortunates do...
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Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $5548908	Clark Judge: Chiefs can't afford to take quarterback with first pick of draft Cover of cbssports.com: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/cl...-pick-of-draft With two months to go before commissioner Roger Goodell steps to the lecturn to open the NFL draft, I have a prediction: The Kansas City Chiefs don't choose a quarterback with the first pick. Yeah, I know, they need one like L.A. needs mass transit, and they'd take one if there were an Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford available. But there's not. In fact, there's nobody even close, and if you think I'm kidding you weren't listening to what Frank Scelfo, Jacksonville's quarterbacks coach, said about Blaine Gabbert the other day -- namely, that if he were in this year's draft he'd be the No. 1 choice. That should tell you something about the field. It should also tell you what the Chiefs' first move should be -- namely, anywhere but quarterback. With the first choice you don't draft for need; you draft the best player out there. You go in one direction and one direction only, and that's for the sure thing. You absolutely, positively must be sold that whomever you choose steps in, starts and becomes the foundation of your franchise for the next 5-10 years. So tell me which of these guys fits that description: Geno Smith? Matt Barkley? Tyler Wilson? Tyler Bray? All have holes in their games, and none is worth choosing with the first, second or third picks. So that makes Kansas City's options easy: Either stay where you are and choose the best player -- a pass rusher, maybe, or a left tackle -- or find your quarterback with a later choice. The bottom line is that the Chiefs must be true to their board, choosing the guy at the top ... and I can't imagine any of these quarterbacks is anywhere near there. In fact, one guy I trust who studied this class of quarterbacks thinks it's so underwhelming he's not sure there's a legit first-rounder in there. I'm serious. That doesn't mean there won't be a quarterback taken in the first round. Of course there will. There will be more than one. It's a passing league, and clubs that don't have good, young quarterbacks can't wait to get their hands on one. So they reach, just as teams did in the 2011 draft when four quarterbacks went with the first 12 picks, leaving Andy Dalton to Cincinnati in the second round. Dalton is the only quarterback in that class to make the playoffs his first two seasons, and there's a lesson there for Kansas City: Don't overdraft the position. "We never reached (when I was at Dallas) -- except for one time," said former Cowboys executive Gil Brandt. "We were supposed to take Joe Montana (in the third round of the 1979 draft), but we had three veteran quarterbacks, and (then coach) Tom Landry said, 'I can't carry four quarterbacks.' So we took Doug Cosbie instead." Cosbie was a decent tight end who was named to three Pro Bowls, but Montana was a Hall-of-Fame quarterback who won four Super Bowls. Everyone knows the Chiefs need someone to replace Matt Cassel, but not with the first pick of the 2013 draft they don't. They can find one by trading out and moving down or by staying put and choosing a quarterback at the top of the second round, much as San Diego did in 2001. Instead of taking Michael Vick with the first selection, the Bolts that year traded the pick to Atlanta, then tapped running back LaDainian Tomlinson with the pick acquired from the Falcons and quarterback Drew Brees at the top of the second round. The problem for Kansas City is that it chose the wrong year to bottom out. The 2012 draft was the time and place to find a quarterback with a high draft pick, with Luck and Robert Griffin III the first two choices. It's not just that they were the two best quarterbacks out there; it's that they were at or near the top of everyone's boards. So Indianapolis took the best player in the draft; Washington took the second best, and that's the way it's supposed to go. Which means you can scratch Kansas City from choosing a quarterback with the first pick for one very important reason: That player should be the best player in the draft, and there's not a quarterback who qualifies.
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