Scott Wright Savages the Chiefs

['Hamas' Jenkins]

From his draft breakdown when discussing the selection of EJ Manuel:

I will rarely criticize a team for at least trying when it comes to quarterbacks. I would much rather take a flyer on Manuel and his potential than waste time with also-rans such as Alex Smith and Carson Palmer. Teams like the Chiefs and Cardinals are just treading water and delaying the inevitable. Assuming of course that the ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You said it and repeated it. I just responded to it, appropriately. If someone here is full of shit, it's you.

It's called a literary device.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Forget about the first round at this point. How about drafting a QB in any round? Ricky Stanzi in the 5th in 2011, Brodie Croyle in the 3rd in 2006, James Killian in the 7th in 2005, Pat Barnes in the 4th in 1997, Steve Stenstrom in the 4th in 1995 and Steve Matthews in the 7th in 1994. That's every QB this team has drafted for 20 years. SIX. In 20 years. And nothing above the 3rd round.

No wonder people seem gleeful about Tyler Bray. The people who want to try get a talented if immature prospect and the penny-pinchers brain-washed by the franchise into thinking bargains are the way to go are happy cause the Chiefs don't have to spend anything on him.

I was just about to look up that list.... holy crap.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Forget about the first round at this point. How about drafting a QB in any round? Ricky Stanzi in the 5th in 2011, Brodie Croyle in the 3rd in 2006, James Killian in the 7th in 2005, Pat Barnes in the 4th in 1997, Steve Stenstrom in the 4th in 1995 and Steve Matthews in the 7th in 1994. That's every QB this team has drafted for 20 years. SIX. In 20 years. And nothing above the 3rd round.

No wonder people seem gleeful about Tyler Bray. The people who want to try get a talented if immature prospect and the penny-pinchers brain-washed by the franchise into thinking bargains are the way to go are happy cause the Chiefs don't have to spend anything on him.

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Sure, but it's like trying to win a Stanley Cup without good goaltending and defense... it happens, but you have to be truly elite in another phase of the game... like the Bears were on defense. You can hide a bad offensive line with one guy (Aaron Rodgers, for starters), you can hide an entire defense with (practically) one guy in the right system... if you want to hide one bad QB, you better make up for it with your entire defense or several offensive positions.

And for the few guys you mentioned, there were several more passed up in the first few rounds... sure, a lot of teams struck out. Elite QBs don't grow on trees... but if you expand your list to include the first 3 rounds, there are some pretty good QBs that were passed up. I'm not arguing your point vs SNR as far as first round QBs, just reiterating the point that it would be nice if they tried something beyond retread and #100+ picks (too bad Croyle didn't work out... he was their one shot at greatness ).

These two posts need to be put in their own thread and perma-stickied until we actually draft a playmaker at quarterback.

[keg in kc]

Just picking a team at random...The Packers have drafted 12 QBs since 1993. A team that's had two legitimate franchise QBs covering that entire period.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Just picking a team at random...The Packers have drafted 12 QBs since 1993. A team that's had two legitimate franchise QBs covering that entire period.

Hahaha, good lord.

[nychief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Just picking a team at random...The Packers have drafted 12 QBs since 1993.

I think we'll draft more QBs under this regime....the fact is they have brought in 4 new QBs (3 with a chance of making the team) since January... it is not as though they have not addressed the position.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by SNR

No, ****face. Taking a QB just to take a QB is NOT what people have been saying.

The deal with Geno Smith was a ton of posters on this forum (very high quality and knowledgeable posters) liked the player. They thought he was pretty good and worth a first round pick, but given the lack of Calvin Johnsons, Ndamukong Suhs, or even Jadeveon Clowneys, the Chiefs should probably go ahead and take the QB instead of wallowing in a logjam at LT. When the Chiefs made the Alex Smith trade, they liked Geno even MORE given that he could sit for a year and come in when he was ready.

They evaluated Geno Smith THE PLAYER. Not just as some QB. And given the needs of the Kansas City Chiefs (which had nothing to do with history but more with the shit crap of low-quality non QBs at the top of the 2013 draft) they decided he should be the pick.

Did you see an Eric Berry in 2013?

Yeah, if there was ever a plan to copy, it was Seattle's... and it's not like anyone expected Russel Wilson to win the job. And I guess a true fan can say that's exactly what the Chiefs did, even though it was in the typical no risk style that's plagued the team for decades.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by nychief

I think we'll draft more QBs under this regime....the fact is they have brought in 4 new QBs (3 with a chance of making the team) since January... it is not as though they have not addressed the position.

One can only hope.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Sure, but it's like trying to win a Stanley Cup without good goaltending and defense... it happens, but you have to be truly elite in another phase of the game... like the Bears were on defense. You can hide a bad offensive line with one guy (Aaron Rodgers, for starters), you can hide an entire defense with (practically) one guy in the right system... if you want to hide one bad QB, you better make up for it with your entire defense or several offensive positions.

And for the few guys you mentioned, there were several more passed up in the first few rounds... sure, a lot of teams struck out. Elite QBs don't grow on trees... but if you expand your list to include the first 3 rounds, there are some pretty good QBs that were passed up. I'm not arguing your point vs SNR as far as first round QBs, just reiterating the point that it would be nice if they tried something beyond retread and #100+ picks (too bad Croyle didn't work out... he was their one shot at greatness ).

I hear what you're saying, and I'm sure it's frustrating as hell that the team's been an afterthought for as long as it has. But spending weeks or months on "GENO!!!!' (or Sanchez in 2009) when the kid's were significantly flawed prospects, and shitting all over the organization because they don't pick those kids is stupid. Teams who need QBs and see one at #1 aren't trading out if they like the QB, so that leaves only sitting at #1 or being bad in a year with multiple good QB prospects. Since 2005, the only arguable players of that level have been

Rodgers - huge miss, but by a lot of teams. The Tedford angle and his throwing mechanics scared teams away.

Culter - (No, really, SNR listed Cutler)

Ryan - Here's the big one with a relatively easy trade up to #1 or #2 in terms of value, but that wasn't under either Pioli or Reid.

In 2012, the Redskins just weren't going to be beaten out in terms of offers for the #2 spot and RGIII, and you're welcome to think Tannehill's a top guy, but I'm not on that bandwagon.

If people want to be pissed about missed QB opportunities, 2008 makes sense, but 2009-2013 don't.

[AdumbGuy]

Originally Posted by jettio

The 49ers drafted Alex Smith as 1st overall and he only lost his job to a superstud that is Colin Kaepernick.

It is ridiculous to think that it matters who drafted the highly rated QB.

I can't believe how widespread this stupid idea is, that there is some tremendous satisfaction in drafting a 1st round QB and watching him grow.

Granted, you can look back on some prior drafts and compare who the Chiefs picked to which available QBs they did not draft and be a little frustated, but it would be awful darn stooopid for Dorsey and Reid to draft a QB this year just to make the crowd that thinks like you happy.

This is their first year with the Chiefs, they should not take a flyer on a QB they do not believe in, just because you asked to tooth fairy to bring you a first round QB.

And that goes to all of the other posters who have been on this ridiculous campaign to draft a QB for the sake of it.

At least some of the "homegrown QB" rhetoric comes from the knowledge that other team's castoffs rarely if ever succeed elsewhere. Our own QB track record is the perfect evidence for that argument.

I would love it if Reid/Dorsey would draft a QB just to make me personally happy, but that's not why I'm pissed that they don't take a chance. I'm pissed because my experience has taught me that there is an incredibly high probability that the strategy they are trying is going to fail. It has been demonstrated repeatedly.

Even if Alex Smith is a good QB, is he better than the 49ers current QB? So basically, we're going for at best, the 2nd best possible QB? I'd rather have the hope of the unknown, boom or bust, rather than the safety of known mediocrity.

That's just me though, I can completely understand somebody else not feeling that way.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by SNR

It's called a literary device.

It's called a load of bullshit that you were tossing out to try buttressing a really weak argument.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It's called a load of bullshit that you were tossing out to try buttressing a really weak argument.

If this were my opinion, wouldn't it have been easier and clearer for me to say, "There are just as many QB successes as QB failures in the first round"

Instead, I said, "For every Losman there's a Cutler..." etc.

It's called anaphora.

In any case, that wasn't what I said. Stop saying it was.

[RealSNR]

Also, do you actually believe the Chiefs are better off trading 2 2nd round picks for Alex ****ing Smith than drafting a QB clone of Jay Cutler in the first round, if there were one to draft?

I'll take Cutler 10 times out of 10 over Alex Smith.

[Mecca]

We never draft QBs cause we have front offices afraid of offending players. Vermeil and Green, Pioli and Cassel, all about fragile egos.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I hear what you're saying, and I'm sure it's frustrating as hell that the team's been an afterthought for as long as it has. But spending weeks or months on "GENO!!!!' (or Sanchez in 2009) when the kid's were significantly flawed prospects, and shitting all over the organization because they don't pick those kids is stupid. Teams who need QBs and see one at #1 aren't trading out if they like the QB, so that leaves only sitting at #1 or being bad in a year with multiple good QB prospects. Since 2005, the only arguable players of that level have been

Rodgers - huge miss, but by a lot of teams. The Tedford angle and his throwing mechanics scared teams away.

Culter - (No, really, SNR listed Cutler)

Ryan - Here's the big one with a relatively easy trade up to #1 or #2 in terms of value, but that wasn't under either ***** or Reid.

In 2012, the Redskins just weren't going to be beaten out in terms of offers for the #2 spot and RGIII, and you're welcome to think Tannehill's a top guy, but I'm not on that bandwagon.

If people want to be pissed about missed QB opportunities, 2008 makes sense, but 2009-2013 don't.

Like I said (and keg, too), a lot of the frustration isn't just in the first round... Tannehill, Russel Wilson, Dalton, Kaepernick, Ryan Mallett, Clausen, McCoy, etc (of course, that's a sample of all QBs, with no opinions on potential/real success).... year to year, it's easy to say there aren't any prospects that fit the system, don't try just to try, etc; but we're talking decades of not trying at all, with the exception of Croyle and a couple of 4th rounders (and the 4th is stretching it). One one hand, it's not just drafting a QB to do it, but OTOH, that doesn't excuse a team from trying at all, for decades at a time (and when I say decades at a time, I mean all of them).

All you need to know about drafting QBs is in keg's two posts.... the Packers get it. The Chiefs don't.