Chiefs Xs and Os: The Denver Pick Plays - Page 8

**petegz28** · 11-10-2013, 08:56 PM

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nf...blockID=949223

Very interesting read...long but interesting

ChiefRocka · 11-13-2013, 10:02 AM

Andy is smart. If you cant beat it, do it yourself and let the refs try and call OPI on us in primetime.

Mile High Mania · 11-13-2013, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX

So is M H Mule Tool so...

You should just put me on ignore, li'l lady. You obviously have issues with something I said a while back, but you lack the balls to say what it was. So, just keep up your whining and belly aching.

Dayze · 11-13-2013, 10:04 AM

I honestly think it's a fine line between a rub and a pick. and I honestly think some teams have a wider margin than others.
I think that a majority of the time the Broncos will get the benefit of the doubt.

TEX · 11-13-2013, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Let's separate it into 2 different issues.

I agree with the people that say pick plays are common and used by a lot of teams. I don't have a big beef with "rub" routes.

But what you are saying here isn't a pick play. Decker was blocking a DB 10 yards downfield BEFORE the ball was thrown. That should be OPI, plain and simple.

That's EXACTLY the case. It's VERY CLEAR even through orange colored glasses and Mule Tool vision.

Mile High Mania · 11-13-2013, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze

I honestly think it's a fine line between a rub and a pick. and I honestly think some teams have a wider margin than others.
I think that a majority of the time the Broncos will get the benefit of the doubt.

If it's a blatant pick, I hope they just call it... you guys are already prepping for a dozen non-calls on OL holding and now the picks. There's no lack for excuses for Sunday should the Chiefs fall flat.

If they're pushing the limits to maximize what they can do, legally - then by all means, keep doing it.

Dayze · 11-13-2013, 10:08 AM

I agree (with the keep doing it if they're not calling a penalty part)

htismaqe · 11-13-2013, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

If it's a blatant pick, I hope they just call it... you guys are already prepping for a dozen non-calls on OL holding and now the picks. There's no lack for excuses for Sunday should the Chiefs fall flat.

If they're pushing the limits to maximize what they can do, legally - then by all means, keep doing it.

If the Chiefs lose, it won't be because of non-calls. It will be because they got beat.

It doesn't make what the Broncos are doing anymore legal.

**notorious** · 11-13-2013, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If the Chiefs lose, it won't be because of non-calls. It will be because they got beat.

It doesn't make what the Broncos are doing anymore legal.

This sums it up nicely.

MHM and I had a civil discussion about holding a while back. Here is the conclusion we came to:

When a fan watches their team, there are certain areas in which they concentrate. When our team is on defense, we watch the line very close while the QB is in the pocket. Obviously we are going to see every hold.

When on offense, we watch the QB until he throws the ball. We are fairly oblivious to our OLine unless they **** up.

Next time you watch a game, watch the other team's defensive line. You would be amazed at how much our team holds, and it will give you some perspective.

Now, the pick plays are a completely different animal all-together.

Fritz88 · 11-13-2013, 10:19 AM

Romeo is the one who can own PM.

htismaqe · 11-13-2013, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

This sums it up nicely.

MHM and I had a civil discussion about holding a while back. Here is the conclusion we came to:

When a fan watches their team, there are certain areas in which they concentrate. When our team is on defense, we watch the line very close while the QB is in the pocket. Obviously we are going to see every hold.

When on offense, we watch the QB until he throws the ball. We are fairly oblivious to our OLine unless they **** up.

Next time you watch a game, watch the other team's defensive line. You would be amazed at how much our team holds, and it will give you some perspective.

Now, the pick plays are a completely different animal all-together.

There are dozens of holding no-calls every game. It's not even really new anymore. Every team holds. Hell, they teach linemen that way - instead of instructing them on how to no hold, they instruct them on proper techniques to NOT GET CAUGHT.

The only thing that makes the pick plays different is that they aren't called or not called with the same uniformity that holding calls are.

I've seen other teams do what Denver is doing and they get called for it. But it's not the Broncos. When Peyton Manning was in Indy, the same thing happened.

warrior · 11-13-2013, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88

Romeo is the one who can own PM.

2 and 14 Romeo was crap

TEX · 11-13-2013, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There are dozens of holding no-calls every game. It's not even really new anymore. Every team holds. Hell, they teach linemen that way - instead of instructing them on how to no hold, they instruct them on proper techniques to NOT GET CAUGHT.

The only thing that makes the pick plays different is that they aren't called or not called with the same uniformity that holding calls are.

I've seen other teams do what Denver is doing and they get called for it. But it's not the Broncos. When Peyton Manning was in Indy, the same thing happened.

Yep. It has indeed followed Manning. A point I made early on in this thread. The Colts used to abuse the "rules" (and the Texans) when he was there. In fact the FIRST game where the Texans beat the Colts, they made it an issue before hand...

Pushead2 · 11-13-2013, 11:06 AM

Why not just knock them off the line of scrimmage & disrupt the pick itself?

htismaqe · 11-13-2013, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushead2

Why not just knock them off the line of scrimmage & disrupt the pick itself?

Run right through them. Force the issue.

If they start calling defensive holding/PI penalties, it will bring it to a head.

MagicHef · 11-13-2013, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Run right through them. Force the issue.

If they start calling defensive holding/PI penalties, it will bring it to a head.

If the picks are like the ones in the gifs, this will do two things:

-Take the defender out of the play even more

-Open up the possibility of DPI, illegal contact, or defensive holding being called

It won't force any issue, because the offensive players will be acting legally.

11-10-2013, 08:56 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1045873	Xs and Os: The Denver Pick Plays http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nf...blockID=949223 Very interesting read...long but interesting
Posts: 132,451

11-13-2013, 10:02 AM	#106
ChiefRocka Veteran Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: DE Casino cash: $9735019	Andy is smart. If you cant beat it, do it yourself and let the refs try and call OPI on us in primetime.
Posts: 3,834

11-13-2013, 10:04 AM	#108
Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $1799358	I honestly think it's a fine line between a rub and a pick. and I honestly think some teams have a wider margin than others. I think that a majority of the time the Broncos will get the benefit of the doubt. __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed: Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy
Posts: 37,460

11-13-2013, 10:08 AM	#111
Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $1799358	I agree (with the keep doing it if they're not calling a penalty part) __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed: Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy
Posts: 37,460

11-13-2013, 10:19 AM	#114
Fritz88 Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $8505943	Romeo is the one who can own PM.
Posts: 12,706

11-13-2013, 11:06 AM	#118
Pushead2 **** off Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York Casino cash: $6331882	Why not just knock them off the line of scrimmage & disrupt the pick itself? __________________ "**** up once, lose two teeth....”
Posts: 5,264