Browns get rid of Lombardi; promote Ray Farmer to GM

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BCD

Sounds like Banner IS a ****ing asshole.

When he ran out of town Tom Heckert in Philly, and took control of the franchise, is when that environment became toxic. Its when what was a solid, winning football franchise every year, went completely down hill, and ran Andy Reid out of town. Amazing how getting rid of Banner, and creating again an atmosphere that is pleasant to work in, helped that team.

Did the same thing for KC, and should do the same thing for Cleveland.

The cloud has been lifted over that city. There is a ray of sunlight, pun intended finally.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

When he ran out of town Tom Heckert in Philly, and took control of the franchise, is when that environment became toxic. Its when what was a solid, winning football franchise every year, went completely down hill, and ran Andy Reid out of town. Amazing how getting rid of Banner, and creating again an atmosphere that is pleasant to work in, helped that team.

Did the same thing for KC, and should do the same thing for Cleveland.

The cloud has been lifted over that city. There is a ray of sunlight, pun intended finally.

The Eagles went into decline when McNabb left. That's not because of Banner. That's because McNabb got old and the team needed to move on. It's no coincidence that they were good the next year, when Vick played well, and then went on a downward trajectory as Vick declined in both health and play, until they got another good QB performance from Foles this year.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The Eagles went into decline when McNabb left. That's not because of Banner. That's because McNabb got old and the team needed to move on. It's no coincidence that they were good the next year, when Vick played well, and then went on a downward trajectory as Vick declined in both health and play, until they got another good QB performance from Foles this year.

If we want to get technical about it, they went to sit when Jim Johnson died. Andy Reid was never again able to find someone to help the defense. Then when banner tab heckert out they went away from building through the draft to trying to buy championships. Just my thoughts.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The Eagles went into decline when McNabb left. That's not because of Banner. That's because McNabb got old and the team needed to move on. It's no coincidence that they were good the next year, when Vick played well, and then went on a downward trajectory as Vick declined in both health and play, until they got another good QB performance from Foles this year.

Lombardi was one of those fools who in 2010 said McNabb was an elite QB along with Matt Schaub.

I remember this because he was saying the 49ers could sign him and be a threat.
Unsurprisingly McNabb was a flop.

Reid knew McNabb was a fat lazy front-runner.

He was a captain checkdown to his backs. Still had a hard time completing 60%.

The 1 great year involved a lot of chuck it to TO. He never learned the details of QB.
He always took too many sacks and hits. His legs went and without his running went from an OK QB to getting benched.

His QB rating went down and down as the playoff rounds went on.

In the 9 Playoffs games the Eagles won with him...
The opponents average score was 11.4

[Titty Meat]

You guys should still let Ward go

[BigMeatballDave]

Lombardi may be headed to NE.

[ct]

Mike Lombardi - C - Free Agent
The Boston Globe reports ex-Browns GM Mike Lombardi's hiring by the Patriots is "basically a done deal."

Lombardi has been tight with Bill Belichick going back to their days together with the Browns in 1990s. According to reporter Shalise Manza Young, the Pats went as far as to consider Lombardi's player evaluations before he was re-hired by the Browns in 2013. Lombardi worked for NFL Network from 2008-13.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by ct

Mike Lombardi - C - Free Agent
The Boston Globe reports ex-Browns GM Mike Lombardi's hiring by the Patriots is "basically a done deal."

Lombardi has been tight with Bill Belichick going back to their days together with the Browns in 1990s. According to reporter Shalise Manza Young, the Pats went as far as to consider Lombardi's player evaluations before he was re-hired by the Browns in 2013. Lombardi worked for NFL Network from 2008-13.

May an AIDS tree fall upon the house of the Patriots and all their scumbag former personnel and coaches who can't keep jobs elsewhere.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Score another one foe the good old boys network. ..pathetic

[booger]

Former Chiefs VP of player personnel Bill Kuharich attended the Combine in his new role as personnel consultant for the Cleveland Browns. Kuharich will serve as an adviser to Ray Famer, the Browns new general manager. The roles were reversed when they worked for the Chiefs; Kuharich ran the personnel department and Farmer was the team’s director of pro personnel.

Working in concert with then head coach Herm Edwards, Kuharich was responsible for the Chiefs drafts in 2006-07-08. The duo concentrated on creating a roster younger than it was during the Dick Vermeil years. But the rug was pulled out from under Edwards/Kuharich by team chairman Clark Hunt after a 2-14 record in 2008.

Many of the players selected in those three drafts still make major contributions to the Chiefs – OLB Tamba Hali, WR Dwayne Bowe, LT Branden Albert, CB Brandon Flowers and RB Jamaal Charles, along with others that played and continue to spend time in the NFL – S Bernard Pollard, S Jarrad Page, DE Turk McBride, DT Glenn Dorsey, CB Brandon Carr and OT Barry Richardson.

Why was Kuharich out of the NFL personnel ranks for 5 years? He was badmouthed around the league by Scott Pioli. When Pioli took over the football side of the Chiefs in January 2009, he began a verbal assault on all parts of the team’s former operations, especially Kuharich and the personnel department. At the time, Pioli still wore the stink from his time with the New England Patriots and many people around the league thought Pioli knew what he was doing so they listened to him.

Of course the league found out differently, just as Chiefs fans did over 4 years (23-42 record). Pioli was unprepared for his role on top of an NFL organization. He was an insecure administrator and leader, spending an inordinate amount of time browbeating employees and blackballing former workers than actually creating culture capable of becoming a consistently successful franchise.

The rest of the league learned about Pioli and that’s opened the door for a return by a very good personnel man. Cleveland has been a dysfunctional franchise for several years, but having Farmer in charge of personnel, with Kuharich providing his expertise will give the Browns a fighting chance.

In just a few days at the Combine, new Browns head coach Mike Pettine saw a good future working with Farmer and Kuharich.

“Bill’s an outstanding evaluator of talent,” said Pettine. “He and Ray are very similar in how they see things, which means we all are similar in how we see things.”

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...ns-to-nfl.html

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by booger

Former Chiefs VP of player personnel Bill Kuharich attended the Combine in his new role as personnel consultant for the Cleveland Browns. Kuharich will serve as an adviser to Ray Famer, the Browns new general manager. The roles were reversed when they worked for the Chiefs; Kuharich ran the personnel department and Farmer was the team’s director of pro personnel.

Working in concert with then head coach Herm Edwards, Kuharich was responsible for the Chiefs drafts in 2006-07-08. The duo concentrated on creating a roster younger than it was during the Dick Vermeil years. But the rug was pulled out from under Edwards/Kuharich by team chairman Clark Hunt after a 2-14 record in 2008.

Many of the players selected in those three drafts still make major contributions to the Chiefs – OLB Tamba Hali, WR Dwayne Bowe, LT Branden Albert, CB Brandon Flowers and RB Jamaal Charles, along with others that played and continue to spend time in the NFL – S Bernard Pollard, S Jarrad Page, DE Turk McBride, DT Glenn Dorsey, CB Brandon Carr and OT Barry Richardson.

Why was Kuharich out of the NFL personnel ranks for 5 years? He was badmouthed around the league by Scott Pioli. When Pioli took over the football side of the Chiefs in January 2009, he began a verbal assault on all parts of the team’s former operations, especially Kuharich and the personnel department. At the time, Pioli still wore the stink from his time with the New England Patriots and many people around the league thought Pioli knew what he was doing so they listened to him.

Of course the league found out differently, just as Chiefs fans did over 4 years (23-42 record). Pioli was unprepared for his role on top of an NFL organization. He was an insecure administrator and leader, spending an inordinate amount of time browbeating employees and blackballing former workers than actually creating culture capable of becoming a consistently successful franchise.

The rest of the league learned about Pioli and that’s opened the door for a return by a very good personnel man. Cleveland has been a dysfunctional franchise for several years, but having Farmer in charge of personnel, with Kuharich providing his expertise will give the Browns a fighting chance.

In just a few days at the Combine, new Browns head coach Mike Pettine saw a good future working with Farmer and Kuharich.

“Bill’s an outstanding evaluator of talent,” said Pettine. “He and Ray are very similar in how they see things, which means we all are similar in how we see things.”

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...ns-to-nfl.html

I'd actually like if Kuharich and Herm were draft consultants with the Chiefs. Herm can stick primarily to DBs.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by booger

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...ns-to-nfl.html

It didn't really help that he and Herm drafted and stuck with Brodie Croyle as the future for their entire tenure in their roles running the personnel department and being head coach, respectively.

Quinn Gray, Tyler Thigpen, Casey Printers, and Brodie Croyle. Those were their big moves at QB. Almost as bad as sticking with Cassel for as long as we did.

Everyone loves to talk about the 2008 draft, but were we better off taking Dorsey and Albert rather than Clady and Flacco? Or would we have been better off trading up (we had 2 first rounders, a second, and 3 threes as ammo) to try and get Matt Ryan?

Yes, this is all second guessing after the fact, but we're about to watch our other first round pick in 2008 walk out the door after letting the first one walk away last year. You don't do that if the players you selected were worth their draft spot. Instead, both are looking pretty replaceable...

[Jimmya]

I also think that Jim Johnsons death started the decline.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Well at least they are like damn that Pioli guy is clueless let's do the opposite of what he did.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I would pay good money to watch someone behead Scott Pioli, Nick Berg-style.