Chiefs Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins - Page 8

Titty Meat · 02:30 PM

*Albert

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

So that great 08' draft class won 0 playoff games and 3 of the better players from that draft are no longer on the team. Thanks Pioli.

htismaqe · 03-10-2014, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

If you look at the situation as hopeless, then I'm sorry.

I don't look at the situation as hopeless at all.

But looking at it realistically, the only reason anybody at all could be ok with Fisher being the opening day LT is because they've given themselves over to hope.

There's no objective reason to think that will be a success, at least not initially.

Messier · 03-10-2014, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't look at the situation as hopeless at all.

But looking at it realistically, the only reason anybody at all could be ok with Fisher being the opening day LT is because they've given themselves over to hope.

There's no objective reason to think that will be a success, at least not initially.

Good. Do I think he'll struggle? Yes I do. I also think he is talented, and probably will improve.

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Good. Do I think he'll struggle? Yes I do. I also think he is talented, and probably will improve.

My only problem is, it may take more than just 1 full NFL off-season for him to do it in. There's also the question of whether or not he can stay healthy next season.

**MahiMike** · 03-10-2014, 09:12 AM

Our 1.1 coulda been worse. Joeckl was less impressive and didn't even make it half a season.

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Our 1.1 coulda been worse. Joeckl was less impressive and didn't even make it half a season.

I wouldn't have guessed that Fluker would have a better rookie year than all 3; Fisher, Joeckl, and Johnson. And what's up with the Long family? All 3 are football freaks. The dad and both sons.

**RealSNR** · 03-10-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

To be fair though, there wasn't a sure #1 overall player in 2013. Was just a bad year to have the #1 overall pick.

No outstanding QB available.

No clearly "best talent" available.

The top 10 last year would probably be among picks 10-25 this year.

I don't know why when one says, "Fisher was a ****ing terrible #1 pick" everybody asks, "So you'd rather have Joeckel?"

Who's pointing the gun to Dorsey's head telling him to pick an OT?

Mugsy · 03-10-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Our 1.1 coulda been worse. Joeckl was less impressive and didn't even make it half a season.

No kidding. It could have been much worse. Hell, the dolphins are trying to trade Jordan already. Geno is a nightmare. Even Tavon Austin only had one or two good games. Warmack was supposed to be a sure thing and he struggled. Expectations are a funny thing when it comes to the draft. it was a shitty draft class to begin with. Chiefs fans were just in denial about that from the beginning imo. I think we came out pretty good with Fisher and it is still very early.

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I don't know why when one says, "Fisher was a ****ing terrible #1 pick" everybody asks, "So you'd rather have Joeckel?"

Who's pointing the gun to Dorsey's head telling him to pick an OT?

Albert was only franchise tagged.

No clear #1 overall prospect.

Every QB prospect sucked that year and were all 2nd round level players at best.

Top defensive players all had red flags.

No clear "next great WR" available worth the #1 overall pick. Plus just signed Bowe to a big deal.

Secondary guys sucked that year as evidenced by Dee Milliner's crapfest of a rookie year.

Clearly no LBs worth the #1 overall pick.

The cleanest group, by far, was the OL group at the top. Fisher just happened to be the one that they judged to have the highest ceiling, plus he would theoretically allow us to move on from Albert in 2014 or trade him in that draft (which didn't happen).

duncan_idaho · 03-10-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't look at the situation as hopeless at all.

But looking at it realistically, the only reason anybody at all could be ok with Fisher being the opening day LT is because they've given themselves over to hope.

There's no objective reason to think that will be a success, at least not initially.

Great post. There's no evidence that Eric Fisher can be a great LT (worthy of 1.1) other than hope and the fact he was drafted high/well-regarded leading up to the draft.

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Originally Posted by SNR

I don't know why when one says, "Fisher was a ****ing terrible #1 pick" everybody asks, "So you'd rather have Joeckel?"

Who's pointing the gun to Dorsey's head telling him to pick an OT?

EXACTLY!

They picked a LT because it was "safe" and "best value" and "No. 1 overall has to be able to play right away and can't afford to sit." They chose higher floor over higher ceiling.

htismaqe · 03-10-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy

No kidding. It could have been much worse. Hell, the dolphins are trying to trade Jordan already. Geno is a nightmare. Even Tavon Austin only had one or two good games. Warmack was supposed to be a sure thing and he struggled. Expectations are a funny thing when it comes to the draft. it was a shitty draft class to begin with. Chiefs fans were just in denial about that from the beginning imo. I think we came out pretty good with Fisher and it is still very early.

Dee Millner wasn't bad. And we wouldn't be talking about taking a CB in the first this year.

htismaqe · 03-10-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Secondary guys sucked that year as evidenced by Dee Milliner's crapfest of a rookie year.

INFINITELY better than Fisher's rookie year.

Mugsy · 03-10-2014, 09:35 AM

I disagree, Joeckel was the higher floor and Fisher was the higher ceiling last year at this time. Also, they new they weren't re-signing Albert imo. They even flirted with trading him. That was a big piece of the puzzle. The draft had several good looking tackle prospects. Taking a OT was a no brainer if you really think about it. Fans should have seen that coming from a mile away. It's ironic to hear some talk about "hope" imo. Hope is why they don't like Fisher. They didn't get the QB they hoped for and want to be right.

**The Franchise** · 03-10-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy

I disagree, Joeckel was the higher floor and Fisher was the higher ceiling last year at this time. Also, they new they weren't re-signing Albert imo. They even flirted with trading him. That was a big piece of the puzzle. The draft had several good looking tackle prospects. it was a no brainer if you really think about it.

Several good looking OT prospects that wouldn't be picked in the first 20 picks this year.

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

INFINITELY better than Fisher's rookie year.

Seriously? Did you even watch him play? They have a great front 7 and he looked like donkey sh*t pretty much the entire year.

Milliner was benched for poor play at least 3 times last year, in favor of a UDFA. And he was a top 10 pick.

Cooper had a better rookie year than Milliner did and you would have rather had Milliner?

Mugsy · 03-10-2014, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Several good looking OT prospects that wouldn't be picked in the first 20 picks this year.

Yep, it was a shitty draft class and everyone knew it.

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Mugsy Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Casino cash: $10004900	I disagree, Joeckel was the higher floor and Fisher was the higher ceiling last year at this time. Also, they new they weren't re-signing Albert imo. They even flirted with trading him. That was a big piece of the puzzle. The draft had several good looking tackle prospects. Taking a OT was a no brainer if you really think about it. Fans should have seen that coming from a mile away. It's ironic to hear some talk about "hope" imo. Hope is why they don't like Fisher. They didn't get the QB they hoped for and want to be right.
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