Bailey Rumors - Page 8

HuddleClubKid · 02-22-2004, 09:57 AM

Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard?

Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269

I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!

munkey · 02-22-2004, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

This pick does for Gunther's defense what Trent Green did for DV's offense.....

I agree but what about the future?

~we are a little long in the tooth at O-line~

Eleazar · 02-22-2004, 04:02 PM

Of our offensive starters we have two first rounders, a third rounder, and that is it. (if you want to include Hall, he was a 5th rounder) Everyone else, 8 of the 11, are someone that we brought in. Green we traded picks for, but the point stands. 8 out of 11 spots on our offense are filled with guys we didn't draft.

We have almost always done better by going and getting some experienced players than we have in grooming draftees. Our picks flat out have more value for us in a trade than they do in Carl's hands.

tk13 · 02-22-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by munkey

Not to be a D!ck but what do you know about football?

When I have ever said I know anything about football? I don't proclaim to be some kind of expert in football. I'm an armchair QB like 95% of the people here. What does anyone here really know about football? I'd say not enough, that's why I've pretty much gone along Dick Vermeil's decision-making with the organization... I think I have a pretty good record of doing that. The only thing I'd say I'd have any kind of expertise from a technical standpoint is basketball, I have experience there, but that does me no good here.

The real question is what gives you any right to question my football knowledge but no one else's. Last time I checked nobody on this board had been hired for any front office position in the National Football League. Except for possibly KCTitus, I think he's Denny Thum in disguise.

I don't really get the point of asking someone about why they should be talking football on a forum designed for such, but whatever, I guess we can go talk politics or something.

munkey · 02-22-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Of our offensive starters we have two first rounders, a third rounder, and that is it. (if you want to include Hall, he was a 5th rounder) Everyone else was someone that we brought in. Green we traded picks for, but the point stands.

We have almost always done better by going and getting some experienced players than we have in grooming draftees. Our picks flat out got more value for us in a trade than they do in Carl's hands.

That's why free agency works..BUT..my thought's are in what we have yet to sign (our own free agents) versus who we can draft and pay little for.

Sometimes I glad I'm not in the business.

**Rausch** · 02-22-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by munkey

I agree but what about the future?

~we are a little long in the tooth at O-line~

I DON'T GIVE TO $#ITS ABOUT THE FUTURE.....

Our future, like it or not, will suck. This team, as old as it is on the offensive line, WR, and secondary will SUCK in 3 years. Green will be gone, Shields and Roaf and TRich will be gone, Woods will be gone, Kennison and Morton will be gone, and likely Priest will be half of the back he is now or retired.

If we Bailey we can win now. Period. Bailey is young, and there is NO downside to signing him. None. ZERO.

He's the best in the league, young, and come in IMMEDIATELY and help this team. NO rookie can do that on defense. NO ROOKIE can come in year one and have half the impact Bailey can.

Not only that, but a draft pick is only a CHANCE at a good player. You can get a stud, a dud, or an average Joe. If we trade for Bailey we are GAURANTEED a stud. NO PICK, NO ROOKIE, is a gauranteed stud.

Not only that but we NEED great players on defense. Woods is a good player but he's getting up there.

munkey · 02-22-2004, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I don't really get the point of asking someone about why they should be talking football on a forum designed for such, but whatever, I guess we can go talk politics or something.

I'm just responding to your remark about why the corners had nothing to do with run support.

Just a question (henceforth the D!ck remark) not a putdown.

Have a beer bud....

I am....

**Rausch** · 02-22-2004, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by munkey

That's why free agency works..BUT..my thought's are in what we have yet to sign (our own free agents) versus who we can draft and pay little for.

Sometimes I glad I'm not in the business.

Every defensive Free agent we have, added together, won't have the impact Bailey will.

Hicks hasn't done squat in two years, Woods is a probowler but not nearly as talented as Bailey, and no one else on defense is even worth discussing.

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I DON'T GIVE TO $#ITS ABOUT THE FUTURE.....

Our future, like it or not, will suck. This team, as old as it is on the offensive line, WR, and secondary will SUCK in 3 years. Green will be gone, Shields and Roaf and TRich will be gone, Woods will be gone, Kennison and Morton will be gone, and likely Priest will be half of the back he is now or retired.

If we Bailey we can win now. Period. Bailey is young, and there is NO downside to signing him. None. ZERO.

He's the best in the league, young, and come in IMMEDIATELY and help this team. NO rookie can do that on defense. NO ROOKIE can come in year one and have half the impact Bailey can.

Not only that, but a draft pick is only a CHANCE at a good player. You can get a stud, a dud, or an average Joe. If we trade for Bailey we are GAURANTEED a stud. NO PICK, NO ROOKIE, is a gauranteed stud.

Not only that but we NEED great players on defense. Woods is a good player but he's getting up there.

Exactly.The future is NOW!!!The Chiefs need to go out and get players that UPGRADE the defense and Bailey certainly upgrades the secondary.

Wile_E_Coyote · 02-22-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

You mean like Sylvester Morris or Ryan Sims?

What if ANY player get's injured?

YOu don't win a super bowl trying to grab average talent. That's how you become average. We've been average.

We don't have ONE stud on this defense, and we only have one probowler. Sims or Fujita might step up this year, they might not.

Bailey is the best in the league at what he does. If Trent is worth a first round pick, Bailey is worth 5 of them. AND he's young. AND we need help in our secondary. AND this allows Gunther to run the defense he wants to run (blitz like crazy, play man/bumb n' run coverage.)

This pick does for Gunther's defense what Trent Green did for DV's offense.....

That is an interesting question, what did super bowl teams add to their roster that put them over the top?

NE? Tampa? NE? Rams?

**Rausch** · 02-22-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by munkey

I'm just responding to your remark about why the corners had nothing to do with run support.

Just a question (henceforth the D!ck remark) not a putdown.

Have a beer bud....

I am....

I think that's got more to do with GROB's shat scheme than talent. Missing Maz hurt a lot in the running game as well. He wasn't very good in coverage, but he had a great feel for where the play was developing and a solid tackler and run stuffer.

I don't remember GROB ever having that great a run defense.

munkey · 02-22-2004, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I DON'T GIVE TO $#ITS ABOUT THE FUTURE.....

Our future, like it or not, will suck. This team, as old as it is on the offensive line, WR, and secondary will SUCK in 3 years. Green will be gone, Shields and Roaf and TRich will be gone, Woods will be gone, Kennison and Morton will be gone, and likely Priest will be half of the back he is now or retired.

If we Bailey we can win now. Period. Bailey is young, and there is NO downside to signing him. None. ZERO.

He's the best in the league, young, and come in IMMEDIATELY and help this team. NO rookie can do that on defense. NO ROOKIE can come in year one and have half the impact Bailey can.

Not only that, but a draft pick is only a CHANCE at a good player. You can get a stud, a dud, or an average Joe. If we trade for Bailey we are GAURANTEED a stud. NO PICK, NO ROOKIE, is a gauranteed stud.

Not only that but we NEED great players on defense. Woods is a good player but he's getting up there.

I do agree with you...

Don't get me wrong.

I'm just not sold that the chiefs agree with our logic.

If it did we would have looked for ANY free agent corner for the last three years to do the job.

tk13 · 02-22-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

That is an interesting question, what did super bowl teams add to their roster that put them over the top?

NE? Tampa? NE? Rams?

NE added Ted Washington, but on the other hand they cut Lawyer Milloy and had guys like Eugene Wilson and Asante Samuel out there playing in the secondary as rookies... then again having McGinest and Seymour and Bruschi and Law out there doesn't hurt....

**Rausch** · 02-22-2004, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

That is an interesting question, what did super bowl teams add to their roster that put them over the top?

NE? Tampa? NE? Rams?

NE added to their defensive line and a LOT of quality depth, so when they did get injuries their team didn't fall apart like ours did two years ago....

Tampa Added stability to the QB position, a new head coach that costed TWO first round picks and two 2nd's (IIRC), and Keenan McCardel (WR.)

The Rams added a new DC, spent a first round pick in a trade for (here it is, pay attention) A CORNERBACK, and signed two new offensive lineman. (ANY of that sound familar? )

And the Panthers TRADED for Stephen Davis....

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

That is an interesting question, what did super bowl teams add to their roster that put them over the top?

NE? Tampa? NE? Rams?

Again I mentioned the Patriots having a PRO BOWL Corner Back named Ty Law,but you must have missed that one.Guess how much he makes?

Surely you aren't implying that the BUCS defense didn't get them to the big dance are you?

The time is now,the window is two years,regardless if when win it all or not in two years we WILL be rebuilding.We might as well go out and do everything we can to give us the best odds of winning the Super Bowl.We have tried for nearly 15 years of replacing players in FA with the same type players.There is RARELY an UPGRADE,so why not go with the closest thing to a sure thing in a 4 year Pro Bowler who is still VERY YOUNG?Sometimes it seems like some are CONTENT with staying mediocre.I'm NOT-I want the Chiefs to win it all.

siberian khatru · 02-22-2004, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

NE added to their defensive line and a LOT of quality depth, so when they did get injuries their team didn't fall apart like ours did two years ago....

Tampa Added stability to the QB position, a new head coach that costed TWO first round picks and two 2nd's (IIRC), and Keenan McCardel (WR.)

The Rams added a new DC, spent a first round pick in a trade for (here it is, pay attention) A CORNERBACK, and signed two new offensive lineman. (ANY of that sound familar? )

And the Panthers TRADED for Stephen Davis....

You're in a zone today, Brad. Single rep for multiple posts on this thread.

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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Of our offensive starters we have two first rounders, a third rounder, and that is it. (if you want to include Hall, he was a 5th rounder) Everyone else, 8 of the 11, are someone that we brought in. Green we traded picks for, but the point stands. 8 out of 11 spots on our offense are filled with guys we didn't draft. We have almost always done better by going and getting some experienced players than we have in grooming draftees. Our picks flat out have more value for us in a trade than they do in Carl's hands.
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