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BTW...over their careers, Kobe averages less field goals attempted per game than LeBron or Jordan.
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01-26-2013, 09:41 PM | #1262 |
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No, he was fairly controlled by the Spurs back in the '07 finals (although he still averaged something like 24, 7, 7). They're really the only team in his playoff career that's ever been able to significantly limit him, although that was 6 years ago.
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01-26-2013, 09:43 PM | #1263 |
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I think Kobe has taken too many shots the last few years. The last time they won the title Gasol and Bynum did a lot of damage. Last night he has 14 assists and they win. It will be interesting to see if that continues. Jacking up 30 shots every night isn't a good sign for any team. Kobe can hit more tough shots than anyone, but that doesn't mean you should constantly take them.
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01-26-2013, 09:47 PM | #1264 |
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I think that's because Phil Jackson knew how to reign Kobe. I don't think it's always been a problem as some insist. I think it's definitely been a problem under Brown and D'Antoni.
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01-26-2013, 09:48 PM | #1265 |
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Kobe is a great player, but he just didn't/doesn't do anywhere near as much as LeBron does from game to game for his team. They are on different levels.
Also, to read about what goes into the win share calculation: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html It's basically an attempt to put all of a player's offensive and defensive contributions into one number. |
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01-26-2013, 09:51 PM | #1266 |
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The Spurs let Lebron do his thing and took everyone else from him. Pop is great at that. If the other team has someone like Durant, Kobe, Lebron he lets that one person have their game and shut down everyone else
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01-26-2013, 09:53 PM | #1267 |
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Other than 2005-2006 where he had no choice but to take every single shot he could, his numbers have been consistent his whole career. He's taking she same number of shots now that he was taking under Phil.
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01-26-2013, 09:55 PM | #1268 |
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hof_prob.html
This lists HOF probability among active players. Don't know if I buy that Vince Carter is likely to make it, but I'd like to see it. Nash seems too low on it considering his multiple MVPs and perceived team guy attitude/character. |
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but Jemele Hill on Page 2 about 5 years ago wrote an article saying Kobe was better than MJ http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ge=hill/070326 one of the dumbest articles I ever stumbled upon in my life...I emailed her and said three words: "I hate you." and she emailed back and said "no you don't, you just THINK you do." which made me laugh |
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01-26-2013, 10:02 PM | #1270 |
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He's on pace for his third most attempts this year, but I guess it's more that he isn't taking the right kind of shots.
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The Win Shares/48 stat tells you what they're producing on a game-to-game basis for their teams. And that's where LeBron (and several other active players) clearly outclass him. Quote:
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In 2007, the year of that article, Dirk was the MVP and he finished with nearly three more win shares than anyone else (LeBron was 2nd, Kobe/Duncan were 3rd). I'd say they got it right.
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People always think the new thing is better than the old thing. Same reason people thought this year's Olympic team would whip the Dream Team. By the same token, LeBron is a great passer, but he's not Magic Johnson, or even Larry Bird really yet you hear those comparisons.
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other than Milkman
anything new pales in comparison to anything old Russell >>> Jordan John Mackey >>>>>>>> Tony Gonzalez |
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