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Old 12-18-2007, 10:10 PM  
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According to ESPN Rich McKay out in Atlanta
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:53 PM   #121
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we didn't make a Super Bowl...

Duh.

BUT

and everyone knows this...

We were Super Bowl contenders for pretty much Marty's entire tenure...how much of that can you blame on Carl? Apparently he was fielding the right staff and players to build a Super Bowl contender...but at the end of the day, he's not throwing the passes or kicking the field goals...

AND I'm pretty sure everyone knows we were an average defense away from being the best team in the NFL during the Vermeil tenure...when you have coaches telling Carl it's the system, it's the system...what can he do?

He can't predict the future...I would say he's done an ADEQUATE job since Marty...and I definitely would have no problem with him being fired...

But he's not even close to the worst GM in the NFL...
IMHO the sole reason we were a SB contender was because of Marty. Every year he was handcuffed by a cheap GM\owner who never spent the necessary dollars to upgrade the team except for the every other year 1 big FA bust that they signed excluding Marcus and Montana.

The Chiefs routinely over achieved based on the rosters overall talent and that was because Marty willed them and coached them to succeed.

But in the playoffs you have to have superior talent and great coaching to win and we didn't have neither.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:54 PM   #122
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And what is the reason the Chiefs are having to rebuild in the first place? "Rebuilding" means you didn't maintain it properly. It means you didn't prepare replacements for Roaf, Shields, Law, etc. It means you blew important draft picks on a fat samoan, a TE/FB/WR hybrid, and a MLB with the shortest arms in the world.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:55 PM   #123
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I suppose I am a Carl apologist, if that's what you call someone who wants to see him finish his current contract.
Apologist would be the last word I would choose more like idiot or moron would be more appropriate.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:59 PM   #124
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And what is the reason the Chiefs are having to rebuild in the first place? "Rebuilding" means you didn't maintain it properly. It means you didn't prepare replacements for Roaf, Shields, Law, etc. It means you blew important draft picks on a fat samoan, a TE/FB/WR hybrid, and a MLB with the shortest arms in the world.
I honestly never thought they really were. I just think it caught up to them eventually. The outcome of this season determined the direction where they are headed and what they should do. And I think they are feeling it now not drafting replacements for Roaf, Shields, Law..One of Peterson's weaknesses as a GM that I have noticed is not thinking ahead. always clingy towards those veterans and not thinking of replacing them sooner rather than later.

And I am lead to believe that if it wasn't for the injuries this year to Huard, LJ, etc...We wouldn't have seen the young guys play. jmo
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:10 PM   #125
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You know how teams paint slogans on things.....The Chiefs slogan that should be all over Arrowhead and all Chiefs things should be..

"Status quo"
How about "Get over it"?
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:13 PM   #126
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IMHO the sole reason we were a SB contender was because of Marty. Every year he was handcuffed by a cheap GM\owner who never spent the necessary dollars to upgrade the team except for the every other year 1 big FA bust that they signed excluding Marcus and Montana.

The Chiefs routinely over achieved based on the rosters overall talent and that was because Marty willed them and coached them to succeed.

But in the playoffs you have to have superior talent and great coaching to win and we didn't have neither.
I have to admit that I thought letting Marty go was a good move. But now I know I was wrong, Carl was the one who needed to go. I have more respect for Marty now than I ever have, especially after the whole fiasco in SD.

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Old 12-19-2007, 01:27 PM   #127
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:35 PM   #128
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:35 PM   #129
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Is this NOT what everyone wanted?
Everyone wanted a rebuild year from the start with the expectation that by this point in the season some of the young players would be improving and the playcalling and competitiveness of the team would improve.

What we got was half a season of non-rebuild where the team fell apart, lost their will, at times quit and the coaching has remained questionable at best. Instead of getting better things have steadily worsened.
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:36 PM   #130
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Old 12-20-2007, 05:34 PM   #131
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:52 PM   #132
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:05 PM   #133
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IMHO the sole reason we were a SB contender was because of Marty. Every year he was handcuffed by a cheap GM\owner who never spent the necessary dollars to upgrade the team except for the every other year 1 big FA bust that they signed excluding Marcus and Montana.

The Chiefs routinely over achieved based on the rosters overall talent and that was because Marty willed them and coached them to succeed.

But in the playoffs you have to have superior talent and great coaching to win and we didn't have neither.
This is a joke right?

The stuff that everyone is griping about today is 'Marty lite'...did everyone enjoy KC's playoff appearance in January, because it was very much like the 'SB contending' Marty versions of the 90's...the mere fact that anyone could type that and not break out in uproarious laughter is beyond me. I certainly couldnt do it.

The ONLY reason that Marty got to the AFC Championship was on one player, Joe Montana. Pure and simple. Marty had ZERO to do with that and Carl made that call. While I can find many things to fault Carl for and the list is a 1000 miles long, but this is just absurd.

Marty/Herm are two sides of the same coin. Playing not to lose sucks now and it sucked back in the 90's. Holy crap.

I realize the 'grass is always greener on the other side' but this is ridiculous.
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:10 PM   #134
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Every year he was handcuffed by a cheap GM\owner who never spent the necessary dollars to upgrade the team except for the every other year 1 big FA bust that they signed excluding Marcus and Montana.
Chiefs spent like crazy in the 90's. They werent cheap by any means, now they spent it stupidly but they werent cheap on players.
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Old 11-29-2008, 09:40 AM   #135
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I thought I would revisit this thread. This whole move seems to have worked out for Atlanta.. maybe the Chiefs should do the same thing.. raid the Patriots.
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