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Old 11-30-2010, 09:59 PM  
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Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...10/1/index.htm

Story broken up amongst 8 pages, so I'm not going to copy/paste the full text here.

Figured this would be of interest to us all here.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:01 PM   #121
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You've been stating this since the day he was drafted and to date, he's been average at best and awful at worst.

I hope that someday he's an adequate starter but to date, he's been an epic failure. If the Chiefs had taken Oher, Orapko, Maclin, Harvin, Davis or Matthews (to name a few), this team would be further along in their rebuilding process.

Tyson Jackson, to date, has been a bust. Only time will tell if that changes and but that's far from a certainty.
I have only stated that he COULD become Seymore like, which is no more absurd than saying he will be Sims like. Until he gets, two and half seasons worth of games under his belt, I'm not going to declare him anything.
Until then, I'm going reserve judgement.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:23 PM   #122
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Brilliant post.

Pioli has drafted 0 game changers to this point. Berry is a "maybe." Everyone else has a huge mountain to climb.

NO ONE Pioli has drafted even begins to compare with:

Tamba Hali
Glenn Dorsey
Jamaal Charles
Branden Albert
Dwayne Bowe

And I don't want to hear "well Pioli has only been here for 27 games." Hali, Albert and Bowe were wrecking shit as rookies. Charles was flashing big time as a rookie and turned it on his 2nd year.

Unless Dexter McCluster and Tony Moeaki turn into Percy Harvin and Dallas Clark in the last 5 games, where are Pioli's game-changing impact players? Berry, perhaps, but he was a no brainer.

Oh well, at least Jake O'Connell's arrow is pointing up.
My God... You're ate up with the dumbass today. Last years draft was one of the Chiefs best in a LONG time. Yet, Pioli hasn't drafted any "game-changers"
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:25 PM   #123
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My God... You're ate up with the dumbass today. Last years draft was one of the Chiefs best in a LONG time. Yet, Pioli hasn't drafted any "game-changers"
Dude I know. It's hard to even describe how ****ing stupid GC has been for weeks now. It's like he had a football lobotomy.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:38 PM   #124
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Charles was brought in to be a backup and he was fine in that role. I never bitched about him once. In fact, he was the third-string RB behind Kolby Smith, so to even compare his situation to McCluster's is ignorant.

When LJ got suspended and Smith broke something for the 50th time, Charles got his chance and...IMMEDIATELY RIPPED OFF 100 YARDS.

I'll be shocked if McGimmick produces 100 yards of total offense in a game this year.
He did that week 1.

D.McCluster 94-yard punt return for TD - 02:03 left in the 2nd quarter.

He also had 9 yards receiving totaling 103 yards.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:46 PM   #125
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He did that week 1.

D.McCluster 94-yard punt return for TD - 02:03 left in the 2nd quarter.

He also had 9 yards receiving totaling 103 yards.
Offense, not all-purpose.
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And while we're at it, if you take away of Charles long runs, he's really not that good of a player.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:52 PM   #127
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Offense, not all-purpose.
Yeah, because offensive touchdowns are worth more points than special teams ones.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:04 PM   #128
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Yeah, because offensive touchdowns are worth more points than special teams ones.
Why are you people so friggin' dense when it comes to McGimmick?

If he isn't a productive offensive threat, I don't care WHAT he does as a kick returner, he wasn't worth the pick.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:07 PM   #129
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Why are you people so friggin' dense when it comes to McGimmick?

If he isn't a productive offensive threat, I don't care WHAT he does as a kick returner, he wasn't worth the pick.
its not dense, guy...its called "we have seen him play a total of six games so we are not sure if the pick was a good one or not, but we are going to root for him and praise his progress...." whewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:16 PM   #131
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Why are you people so friggin' dense when it comes to McGimmick?

If he isn't a productive offensive threat, I don't care WHAT he does as a kick returner, he wasn't worth the pick.
You have blinders on. No wonder Gif Horse is your user name now.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:20 PM   #133
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Why are you people so friggin' dense when it comes to McGimmick?

If he isn't a productive offensive threat, I don't care WHAT he does as a kick returner, he wasn't worth the pick.
Exactly what mah' buddy said. It's only been six games, and of the things we do know:

- he has super elite speed
- he can catch the ball
^ from these, we can infer that he will be YAC machine, assuming he has two steps.

Furthermore, his skill set allows him to play more than one position, making him versatile.

I say the jury is out. That doesn't make me dense.
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Why are you people so friggin' dense when it comes to McGimmick?

If he isn't a productive offensive threat, I don't care WHAT he does as a kick returner, he wasn't worth the pick.
3rd time.... What "impact player" should we have drafted there that would have been worth the pick?
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While some of that is true, you also have to take into account:
1) These guys were kept around as pieces of the puzzle. Pioli likely wasn't going to walk into a job which was 100% devoid of talent. Remember, there was talk of him taking this job in part because he was really high on some of the young pieces we had here.

2) He seemingly has brought in the right coaches to maximize the playing levels of some of these underachievers. While much young talent was in place, a lot of it was underachieving until buttons started being pushed. Guys like Bowe and DJ aren't just having better seasons this year because they've got a few years under their belts. A lot of that is coaching.

In fact, you can probably say that the biggest difference between this year and last year, aside from better offseason moves, is that the coaching has taken hold and is a lot better on both sides of the ball.

I certainly don't think this team is perfect or ready for prime time yet by any means. But I appreciate that the guy is also not seemingly satisfied with where we are either. In the past, King Carl would be out there patting his back right about now. The one thing I can't accuse Pioli of is being only interested in putting butts in the seats. I actually buy that he and Haley are solely focused on building a great team. Now whether they wind up doing it or not over the next few years, we'll see...
I agree with all of this.

It's obvious that the Tim Krumries and Clancy Pendergasts of the world weren't the answer. There's no question that Herm's jabronies reeruned the development of a number of our players. Bringing in better coaches is part of a GM's job, and to this point, it seems like Pioli has done an exception job in that regard, even if some of the choices were derivative. However, from the standpoint of player personnel, there still seems to be something sorely lacking.
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