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ShowtimeSBMVP · 10-21-2012, 06:24 PM

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“The past couple of games have been the same script, by the same director,” Newton said. “It’s kind of getting boring.”

“This taste, this vibe — I’m not buying it, man. And I don’t know what it is, but something’s going to have to change. Something’s going to have to change real fast.”

“I’m going to bring in a suggestion box. And I want your suggestions in that suggestion box, because I sure don’t know. I really don’t,” Newton said

“We just find a way to keep the game close just to see what happens at the end,” Newton said. “I’m getting tired of it, and that’s not a formula to win. Domination is a formula to win.”

**The Franchise** · 10-22-2012, 03:43 PM

Ryan Leaf didn't fail because he wasn't a leader. Ryan Leaf failed because he was an immature bitch who couldn't handle the pressure.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-22-2012, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Newton will improve his leadership abilities.

He better hope.

I can't imagine RG3 throwing coaches under the bus.

O.city · 10-22-2012, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

Ryan Leaf
Jeff George

WINNERS

Go ahead and list all the weak arm no talent qbs who didn't amount to anything

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-22-2012, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Ryan Leaf failed because he was an immature bitch who couldn't handle the pressure.

Which is how Newton is acting.

This isn't a new development with Cam.

**The Franchise** · 10-22-2012, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

He better hope.

I can't imagine RG3 throwing coaches under the bus.

RG3 and Cam Newton are nothing alike.

**The Franchise** · 10-22-2012, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

Which is how Newton is acting.

This isn't a new development with Cam.

Uhhhhh....no......he's not acting like an immature bitch. He's acting like someone who is frustrated from losing.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-22-2012, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Go ahead and list all the weak arm no talent qbs who didn't amount to anything

LOL

Gannon made it to the SB.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-22-2012, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

RG3 and Cam Newton are nothing alike.

Exactly. RG3 is a man.

Cam is a diva.

It's not too late for Cam, he can still change his attitude.

**The Franchise** · 10-22-2012, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

Exactly. RG3 is a man.

Cam is a diva.

It's not too late for Cam, he can still change his attitude.

Give it a year and see what happens. Do I think RG3 comes out like Newton does if the Redskins drop a bunch of games......probably not. But we can wait and see.

htismaqe · 10-22-2012, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

All I know is that I hope we don't just look at talent when we take a QB. Character, brains, and leadership are just as important. people killed this writer back then but, he nailed it.

I wholeheartedly agree.

I don't want Rivers or Cutler.

But to think Newton is that kind of "loser" after 20+ games is premature.

suds79 · 10-22-2012, 03:53 PM

I honestly think some people on here have a pretty soft outlook if they feel he was throwing the team under the bus.

Probably wouldn't have liked Dan Marino then. I remember Peyton Manning one time after a playoff loss talking about "We had some protection issues." Would anybody have a problem like a guy like that here?

Sometimes stepping up, speaking the truth is leading. I'll pass on the QB PC speak. Have had enough of that. Just tell it how it is. If it hurts somebody's feelings, deal with it.

RunKC · 10-22-2012, 03:57 PM

When Ron Rivera is fired, I pray to God we bring him in to be the DC.

And when Norv Turner is fired, I wouldn't mind bringing him in a OC.

They suck as coache's, but they are elite coordinators.

**The Franchise** · 10-22-2012, 03:59 PM

Reading his comments and listening to his comments......they sound completely different. I honestly don't think he was throwing anyone under the bus. Poor choice of words....but it sounded to me like he was just tired of having the same thing happen.

**Dylan** · 10-22-2012, 07:07 PM

Everything you always wanted to know about Panthers quarterback Cam Newton:

Who's more childish, Cam Newton or his critics?

Slate.com Oct 22, 2012

Second-year Carolina quarterback Cam Newton spent his bye week "visiting a haunted house, go-kart racing, watching movies, playing video games and doing plenty of self-evaluation.' "These were, presumably, not his only activities; there are enough hours in the day for going to Chuck E. Cheese's and practicing and watching game film. But in an already-lost Panthers season that began, optimistically enough, with a Super Bowl guarantee (the Panther who made that proclamation is out for the year), Newton is learning that when things are going bad between the hash marks, people actually pay attention to your words and your body language and your off-the-field activities.

Toward the end of last season, the rookie Newton was giving a talking-to by Panthers vets, who told him not to sulk so obviously when things don't go well. It was blown off, because very little hadn't gone well for Newton that season. But last month, when cameras caught receiver Steve Smith getting in his face on the sidelines during a blowout loss against the Giants, the narrative changed. The brooding Newton was no longer an aberration but the norm. And as Carolina losses pile up, Newton's increasingly pointed postgame statements have become ripe for dissection and psychoanalysis.

Yesterday's didn't disappoint. Wearing the comfiest sweater in Charlotte, a flustered Newton was at a loss for answers but not a loss for words:

"The past couple of games have been the same script, by the same director. It's kind of getting boring. This taste, this vibe—I'm not buying it, man. And I don't know what it is, but something's going to have to change. Something's going to have to change real fast.

…

I'm going to leave this room, and I'm going to bring in a suggestion box, and I want your suggestions to be in that suggestion box because I sure don't know. I really don't. I wish I could tell you. But the only thing I control, sweetheart, is myself. Offensively, I am the leader of this bunch, and we haven't been getting the job done."

This is a normal and healthy response (other than calling the female reporter "sweetheart"). Coming from any other player, these concepts would be chalked up to the frustrations of someone who wants to win. But from Newton—or at least, the Newton of this year—they're taken as evidence of immaturity; as throwing teammates and coaches under the bus; as a player unwilling to own up to his own failings. Maybe it's because the NFL media have gotten to know and to dislike Newton, but the usual script has been flipped. Under ordinary circumstances, it's a good thing when a player is upset by losing—he's a gamer, he's a competitor, he just wants to win so badly. Cam Newton? He's pouting, he's never had to deal with losing in his life, he needs to learn how to lose with grace. (“Instead of acting like an NFL quarterback, Newton is acting like a child,” writes ESPN.com’s Pat Yasinskas.)

Newton might be a victim of inflated hype. Compare his numbers from this season and last, and they're not markedly different. Yes, this year's are worse in almost every category, but only by the barest of margins.

The difference is that little was expected from him last year, so he exceeded even the most hopeful projections. This year we expected more, and he hasn't delivered. Yet it's not unheard of for a second-year player to take a step backward. Matt Ryan let his team to the playoffs in Year 1, regressed the next season, and then bounced back better than ever. And by definition, a first-overall pick is going to end up playing for a terrible team. Newton and the Panthers defied the curve in his rookie season and poisoned all hope of reasonable expectations.

But even if sophomores aren't supposed to put it all together yet, they're not supposed to regress. The blind heave on second and goal that gave Dallas' Morris Claiborne an end-zone interception was inexplicable and just the second Cowboys pick all year. Newton wants suggestions on what to change? How about no more tosses like that?

Things change fast. Think of all the fawning write-ups of Robert Griffin III, another double threat who came into the league with doubters and won them over instantly. Everything you've read about Griffin's poise, and maturity, and skill—all of that was already written about Newton last year. But after just six games' worth of struggles, not even a half season, Newton is getting the full Vince Young treatment.

There are lots of folks who want Newton to fail. Nearly all of that attitude dates to his brief-but-eventful college career: the legal trouble at Florida, the shady recruiting at Mississippi State, his perceived arrogance at Auburn as the controversy swirled around him. Remember his now-legendary draft scouting report from Pro Football Weekly? At the time it was derided as petty, inconsequential character assassination. With the new-old Newton narrative, it seems almost prescient.

Limited field vision—does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery—generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous—has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law—does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness—is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.

[H]e always will test the rules, be difficult to manage and lacks the intangibles to win the trust of a locker room. Will require a very strong-willed, demanding coach to live up to his potential and avoid the trappings of fame and fortune, but even the greatest taskmaster will not be able to keep away the drama that is still swirling from a stained Heisman Trophy and littered recruiting trail that Newton left in the SEC. Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room.

There haven't yet been whispers of a divided locker room, but GM Marty Hurney was fired Monday morning. Coach Ron Rivera is probably next. Most other quarterbacks would be viewed with patience if, after just 22 career starts, the front office was still struggling to build a team around them. The scrutiny of Newton, the venom as he appears to live up to the worst perceptions, shows he's not going to get that leeway. He can wave away all character concerns by returning to his improbably high standards of play, but he's not about to receive a lot of sympathy as he tries.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports...s_critics.html

**Dylan** · 10-22-2012, 07:08 PM

Who's more childish? Cam Newton.

The NFL might be weighing in on his lack of leadership now, but Newton's parents have seen it for 15 years.

Newton said during last season that he would become a leader and change his selfish ways. He said he would immediately stop brooding on the sideline with (multiyear partnership) Gatorade towels draped over his head. In addition, Newton should be on the sidelines working with his offensive coordinator and focus on film with his teammates.

Which, for some, raises the question: Can Newton learn a thing or two about leadership? I have my doubts.

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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1216009	Really Cam Newton http://tracking.si.com/2012/10/21/ca...thers-cowboys/ “The past couple of games have been the same script, by the same director,” Newton said. “It’s kind of getting boring.” “This taste, this vibe — I’m not buying it, man. And I don’t know what it is, but something’s going to have to change. Something’s going to have to change real fast.” “I’m going to bring in a suggestion box. And I want your suggestions in that suggestion box, because I sure don’t know. I really don’t,” Newton said “We just find a way to keep the game close just to see what happens at the end,” Newton said. “I’m getting tired of it, and that’s not a formula to win. Domination is a formula to win.”
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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	I honestly think some people on here have a pretty soft outlook if they feel he was throwing the team under the bus. Probably wouldn't have liked Dan Marino then. I remember Peyton Manning one time after a playoff loss talking about "We had some protection issues." Would anybody have a problem like a guy like that here? Sometimes stepping up, speaking the truth is leading. I'll pass on the QB PC speak. Have had enough of that. Just tell it how it is. If it hurts somebody's feelings, deal with it.
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10-22-2012, 03:59 PM	#133
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	Reading his comments and listening to his comments......they sound completely different. I honestly don't think he was throwing anyone under the bus. Poor choice of words....but it sounded to me like he was just tired of having the same thing happen.
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10-22-2012, 07:07 PM	#134
Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	Everything you always wanted to know about Panthers quarterback Cam Newton: Who's more childish, Cam Newton or his critics? Slate.com Oct 22, 2012 Second-year Carolina quarterback Cam Newton spent his bye week "visiting a haunted house, go-kart racing, watching movies, playing video games and doing plenty of self-evaluation.' "These were, presumably, not his only activities; there are enough hours in the day for going to Chuck E. Cheese's and practicing and watching game film. But in an already-lost Panthers season that began, optimistically enough, with a Super Bowl guarantee (the Panther who made that proclamation is out for the year), Newton is learning that when things are going bad between the hash marks, people actually pay attention to your words and your body language and your off-the-field activities. Toward the end of last season, the rookie Newton was giving a talking-to by Panthers vets, who told him not to sulk so obviously when things don't go well. It was blown off, because very little hadn't gone well for Newton that season. But last month, when cameras caught receiver Steve Smith getting in his face on the sidelines during a blowout loss against the Giants, the narrative changed. The brooding Newton was no longer an aberration but the norm. And as Carolina losses pile up, Newton's increasingly pointed postgame statements have become ripe for dissection and psychoanalysis. Yesterday's didn't disappoint. Wearing the comfiest sweater in Charlotte, a flustered Newton was at a loss for answers but not a loss for words: "The past couple of games have been the same script, by the same director. It's kind of getting boring. This taste, this vibe—I'm not buying it, man. And I don't know what it is, but something's going to have to change. Something's going to have to change real fast. … I'm going to leave this room, and I'm going to bring in a suggestion box, and I want your suggestions to be in that suggestion box because I sure don't know. I really don't. I wish I could tell you. But the only thing I control, sweetheart, is myself. Offensively, I am the leader of this bunch, and we haven't been getting the job done." This is a normal and healthy response (other than calling the female reporter "sweetheart"). Coming from any other player, these concepts would be chalked up to the frustrations of someone who wants to win. But from Newton—or at least, the Newton of this year—they're taken as evidence of immaturity; as throwing teammates and coaches under the bus; as a player unwilling to own up to his own failings. Maybe it's because the NFL media have gotten to know and to dislike Newton, but the usual script has been flipped. Under ordinary circumstances, it's a good thing when a player is upset by losing—he's a gamer, he's a competitor, he just wants to win so badly. Cam Newton? He's pouting, he's never had to deal with losing in his life, he needs to learn how to lose with grace. (“Instead of acting like an NFL quarterback, Newton is acting like a child,” writes ESPN.com’s Pat Yasinskas.) Newton might be a victim of inflated hype. Compare his numbers from this season and last, and they're not markedly different. Yes, this year's are worse in almost every category, but only by the barest of margins. The difference is that little was expected from him last year, so he exceeded even the most hopeful projections. This year we expected more, and he hasn't delivered. Yet it's not unheard of for a second-year player to take a step backward. Matt Ryan let his team to the playoffs in Year 1, regressed the next season, and then bounced back better than ever. And by definition, a first-overall pick is going to end up playing for a terrible team. Newton and the Panthers defied the curve in his rookie season and poisoned all hope of reasonable expectations. But even if sophomores aren't supposed to put it all together yet, they're not supposed to regress. The blind heave on second and goal that gave Dallas' Morris Claiborne an end-zone interception was inexplicable and just the second Cowboys pick all year. Newton wants suggestions on what to change? How about no more tosses like that? Things change fast. Think of all the fawning write-ups of Robert Griffin III, another double threat who came into the league with doubters and won them over instantly. Everything you've read about Griffin's poise, and maturity, and skill—all of that was already written about Newton last year. But after just six games' worth of struggles, not even a half season, Newton is getting the full Vince Young treatment. There are lots of folks who want Newton to fail. Nearly all of that attitude dates to his brief-but-eventful college career: the legal trouble at Florida, the shady recruiting at Mississippi State, his perceived arrogance at Auburn as the controversy swirled around him. Remember his now-legendary draft scouting report from Pro Football Weekly? At the time it was derided as petty, inconsequential character assassination. With the new-old Newton narrative, it seems almost prescient. Limited field vision—does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery—generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous—has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law—does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness—is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable. [H]e always will test the rules, be difficult to manage and lacks the intangibles to win the trust of a locker room. Will require a very strong-willed, demanding coach to live up to his potential and avoid the trappings of fame and fortune, but even the greatest taskmaster will not be able to keep away the drama that is still swirling from a stained Heisman Trophy and littered recruiting trail that Newton left in the SEC. Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room. There haven't yet been whispers of a divided locker room, but GM Marty Hurney was fired Monday morning. Coach Ron Rivera is probably next. Most other quarterbacks would be viewed with patience if, after just 22 career starts, the front office was still struggling to build a team around them. The scrutiny of Newton, the venom as he appears to live up to the worst perceptions, shows he's not going to get that leeway. He can wave away all character concerns by returning to his improbably high standards of play, but he's not about to receive a lot of sympathy as he tries. http://www.slate.com/articles/sports...s_critics.html __________________
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10-22-2012, 07:08 PM	#135
Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	Who's more childish? Cam Newton. The NFL might be weighing in on his lack of leadership now, but Newton's parents have seen it for 15 years. Newton said during last season that he would become a leader and change his selfish ways. He said he would immediately stop brooding on the sideline with (multiyear partnership) Gatorade towels draped over his head. In addition, Newton should be on the sidelines working with his offensive coordinator and focus on film with his teammates. Which, for some, raises the question: Can Newton learn a thing or two about leadership? I have my doubts. __________________ Last edited by Dylan; 10-22-2012 at 07:13 PM..
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