Scott Wright Savages the Chiefs

['Hamas' Jenkins]

From his draft breakdown when discussing the selection of EJ Manuel:

I will rarely criticize a team for at least trying when it comes to quarterbacks. I would much rather take a flyer on Manuel and his potential than waste time with also-rans such as Alex Smith and Carson Palmer. Teams like the Chiefs and Cardinals are just treading water and delaying the inevitable. Assuming of course that the ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl.

[ptlyon]

Well our supposed guru GM came from the Packers

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

Well our supposed guru GM came from the Packers

The only explanation is that the Hunt family has one of those flashy things from Men in Black.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by AdumbGuy

At least some of the "homegrown QB" rhetoric comes from the knowledge that other team's castoffs rarely if ever succeed elsewhere. Our own QB track record is the perfect evidence for that argument.

I would love it if Reid/Dorsey would draft a QB just to make me personally happy, but that's not why I'm pissed that they don't take a chance. I'm pissed because my experience has taught me that there is an incredibly high probability that the strategy they are trying is going to fail. It has been demonstrated repeatedly.

Even if Alex Smith is a good QB, is he better than the 49ers current QB? So basically, we're going for at best, the 2nd best possible QB? I'd rather have the hope of the unknown, boom or bust, rather than the safety of known mediocrity.

That's just me though, I can completely understand somebody else not feeling that way.

I wish Montana would have stayed for the 1995 season. Gannon was a castoff that had some good games for the Chiefs and he did better with the Raiders (league MVP and Super Bowl appearance, may have won a Super Bowl if Tony Siragusa did not cheap shot him in AFC title game) after we picked Grbac over him. Grbac had some good numbers, lacked leadership ability. IMO, Trent Green was good enough to win a Super Bowl if our Defense was better and the Patriots were not so good those years.

As far as a relocated QB, I think it depends on how they became available, some are available because some other QB on the roster has won the job when the other guy is injured like Kurt Warner and Trent Green, or there is a QB waiting to take over like Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

The only explanation is that the Hunt family has one of those flashy things from Men in Black.

I wish they would point it to the crowd

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Forget about the first round at this point. How about drafting a QB in any round? Ricky Stanzi in the 5th in 2011, Brodie Croyle in the 3rd in 2006, James Killian in the 7th in 2005, Pat Barnes in the 4th in 1997, Steve Stenstrom in the 4th in 1995 and Steve Matthews in the 7th in 1994. That's every QB this team has drafted for 20 years. SIX. In 20 years. And nothing above the 3rd round.

No wonder people seem gleeful about Tyler Bray. The people who want to try get a talented if immature prospect and the penny-pinchers brain-washed by the franchise into thinking bargains are the way to go are happy cause the Chiefs don't have to spend anything on him.

I do remember a write up about Steve Stenstrom. IIRC the line was "Stenstrom will make a good coach down the line." That was it.. lol

[kcxiv]

Since 1983 there is only one team that hasnt drafted a NFL qb in the first round, can you name that team?

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I hear what you're saying, and I'm sure it's frustrating as hell that the team's been an afterthought for as long as it has. But spending weeks or months on "GENO!!!!' (or Sanchez in 2009) when the kid's were significantly flawed prospects, and shitting all over the organization because they don't pick those kids is stupid. Teams who need QBs and see one at #1 aren't trading out if they like the QB, so that leaves only sitting at #1 or being bad in a year with multiple good QB prospects. Since 2005, the only arguable players of that level have been

Rodgers - huge miss, but by a lot of teams. The Tedford angle and his throwing mechanics scared teams away.

Culter - (No, really, SNR listed Cutler)

Ryan - Here's the big one with a relatively easy trade up to #1 or #2 in terms of value, but that wasn't under either ***** or Reid.

In 2012, the Redskins just weren't going to be beaten out in terms of offers for the #2 spot and RGIII, and you're welcome to think Tannehill's a top guy, but I'm not on that bandwagon.

If people want to be pissed about missed QB opportunities, 2008 makes sense, but 2009-2013 don't.

just shut the **** up about QBs

jesus christ, you sucked the skin off cassel's cock....

every year the same ****ing people with the SAME ****ing excuses...EVERY ****ING YEAR we pass on those 'risky QBs'....every ****ing year we suck, we lose, and we fail

we've done it the way of the reeruns for decades, we've avoided ALL RISK, and we have nothing to show for it...

you'd think being wrong every day of your god damn life would force you to reconsider at some point

[PunkinDrublic]

Hamas that's just a little bit of hyperbole. It's critical to be sure, but I wouldn't say he savages the Chiefs.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I hear what you're saying, and I'm sure it's frustrating as hell that the team's been an afterthought for as long as it has. But spending weeks or months on "GENO!!!!' (or Sanchez in 2009) when the kid's were significantly flawed prospects, and shitting all over the organization because they don't pick those kids is stupid. Teams who need QBs and see one at #1 aren't trading out if they like the QB, so that leaves only sitting at #1 or being bad in a year with multiple good QB prospects. Since 2005, the only arguable players of that level have been

Rodgers - huge miss, but by a lot of teams. The Tedford angle and his throwing mechanics scared teams away.

Culter - (No, really, SNR listed Cutler)

Ryan - Here's the big one with a relatively easy trade up to #1 or #2 in terms of value, but that wasn't under either ***** or Reid.

In 2012, the Redskins just weren't going to be beaten out in terms of offers for the #2 spot and RGIII, and you're welcome to think Tannehill's a top guy, but I'm not on that bandwagon.

If people want to be pissed about missed QB opportunities, 2008 makes sense, but 2009-2013 don't.

Ryan Tannehill threw for 3,200 yards in HIS FIRST NFL SEASON

You put aside Luck and RG3 hype, that is what you should expect out of a normal first round rookie QB. Tannehill should progress like the expectations of drafting a first round QB, similar to the Joe Flaccos, Big Bens, Jay Cutler, etc.

Ill take a first round rookie QB throwing for 3200 yards in year 1 with a 7-9 record over giving up two 2nd round draft picks for a 30 year old QB that will throw for 2800 yards and barely get us to 8-8 in his 9th year.

It took Alex Smith his 6th season to even sniff the 3,000 yard mark fyi. It took Tannehill... one.

[AdumbGuy]

Originally Posted by jettio

I wish Montana would have stayed for the 1995 season. Gannon was a castoff that had some good games for the Chiefs and he did better with the Raiders (league MVP and Super Bowl appearance, may have won a Super Bowl if Tony Siragusa did not cheap shot him in AFC title game) after we picked Grbac over him. Grbac had some good numbers, lacked leadership ability. IMO, Trent Green was good enough to win a Super Bowl if our Defense was better and the Patriots were not so good those years.

As far as a relocated QB, I think it depends on how they became available, some are available because some other QB on the roster has won the job when the other guy is injured like Kurt Warner and Trent Green, or there is a QB waiting to take over like Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees.

Good point about it depending on how they became available. I loved Trent Green and that offense, but I never considered him a retread per se. As far as Gannon, I have no problem with bringing in FA for backup positions. And if they outplay the starters, by all means, play them.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Screw Scott Wright you've got a franchise Right Tackle!!!

I'm NOW officially ashamed to be a fan - even more so than before.

[Simply Red]

those dudes look like relatives from my moms side - in Sedalia and Stover Missouri - YIKES!

[KCUnited]

Hard to tell from that gif if we just drafted a RT or Texas Toms announced they were reopening throughout the metro.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Like I said (and keg, too), a lot of the frustration isn't just in the first round... Tannehill, Russel Wilson, Dalton, Kaepernick, Ryan Mallett, Clausen, McCoy, etc (of course, that's a sample of all QBs, with no opinions on potential/real success).... year to year, it's easy to say there aren't any prospects that fit the system, don't try just to try, etc; but we're talking decades of not trying at all, with the exception of Croyle and a couple of 4th rounders (and the 4th is stretching it). One one hand, it's not just drafting a QB to do it, but OTOH, that doesn't excuse a team from trying at all, for decades at a time (and when I say decades at a time, I mean all of them).

All you need to know about drafting QBs is in keg's two posts.... the Packers get it. The Chiefs don't.

Exactly. We pick coaches/GMs who never challenge their QB. They never bring in anyone who is a real threat.