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Old 09-04-2013, 07:59 AM  
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Brandon Flowers restructured his contract. Converted $4M of $7.35M base to a signing bous, clearing $3M in cap space for the Chiefs
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:28 PM   #121
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Brandon Flowers belongs in Tier 1. But I'd put Houston there too. Dez Bryant was just a huge mismatch. Literally.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:31 PM   #122
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Houston is an excellent pass rusher, solid vs the run, and very good in coverage. He has the complete game.

He'll end up with 10+ sacks this season.
I have no issue with Houston and agree he's a great player. But, 10+ sacks doesn't make him elite. 16+ Sacks is an elite mark these days. It hilarious that Hali is considered Tier 2, but Houston is Tier one.

Houston has more potential than Hali, sure, but he doesn't have near the resume.

Full. Blown. Homerism.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:33 PM   #123
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You don't know what you're talking about if you don't think Justin Houston is elite.

When he has been able to consistently attack, he has consistently taken over games. The players ranked him in the top 50, as well.

Justin Houston is a better football player than you are giving him credit for.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:35 PM   #124
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We've seen Eddie Kennison get the best of Champ Bailey. I don't think anyone in their right mind would rate them even remotely close.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:37 PM   #125
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I have no issue with Houston and agree he's a great player. But, 10+ sacks doesn't make him elite. 16+ Sacks is an elite mark these days. It hilarious that Hali is considered Tier 2, but Houston is Tier one.
Hali is not the better player. At one time Hali was the better pass rusher. That time is gone.
Hali is not good in coverage and does not have the strength Houston does.

And Houston probably won't see that many sacks because he's also valuable in coverage.

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Houston has more potential than Hali, sure, but he doesn't have near the resume.

Full. Blown. Homerism.
I don't care about the last 5 years we're talking about now. As of this season Houston is the better player.
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Justin Houston is the very good defensive player no ones heard off . Then along comes Poe.... Riches
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I have no issue with Houston and agree he's a great player. But, 10+ sacks doesn't make him elite. 16+ Sacks is an elite mark these days. It hilarious that Hali is considered Tier 2, but Houston is Tier one.

Houston has more potential than Hali, sure, but he doesn't have near the resume.

Full. Blown. Homerism.
Tamba Halis job over the last few years has been to rush the passer almost exclusively. Justin Houstons job has mostly been dropping into coverage and playing the run.

Just look up the advanced stats of how many times he has been able to rush the passer since he has been drafted.

IIIRC, Justin Houston dropped into coverage more than any other OLB in a 3-4 last season and thus far this year is on pace to break the single season sack record in a defense that is predicated on more pressure.
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Tamba Halis job over the last few years has been to rush the passer almost exclusively. Justin Houstons job has mostly been dropping into coverage and playing the run.

Just look up the advanced stats of how many times he has been able to rush the passer since he has been drafted.

IIIRC, Justin Houston dropped into coverage more than any other OLB in a 3-4 last season and thus far this year is on pace to break the single season sack record in a defense that is predicated on more pressure.
I feel like asking Houston on twitter if he's going to train with Hali and Gracie this offseason
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The right tackle for NO (Zach Strief) is one of the best in the league and Houston flat out dominated him in every possible way. Go listen to his post game remarks to hear how good he is first hand.

I wouldn't trade Houston for any LOLB in the league right now.

If Von was trouble free, he would be the only one.
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The right tackle for NO (Zach Strief) is one of the best in the league and Houston flat out dominated him in every possible way. Go listen to his post game remarks to hear how good he is first hand.

I wouldn't trade Houston for any LOLB in the league right now.

If Von was trouble free, he would be the only one.
Me either, I'd extend his contract ASAP
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The right tackle for NO (Zach Strief) is one of the best in the league and Houston flat out dominated him in every possible way. Go listen to his post game remarks to hear how good he is first hand.

I wouldn't trade Houston for any LOLB in the league right now.

If Von was trouble free, he would be the only one.


Trying to remember if Aldon Smith or Clay Matthews is a LOLB. Both are better.
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Albert is near elite, if you cant tell by the massive drop off between him and the other four Chiefs lineman.
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You don't know what you're talking about if you don't think Justin Houston is elite.

When he has been able to consistently attack, he has consistently taken over games. The players ranked him in the top 50, as well.

Justin Houston is a better football player than you are giving him credit for.
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Hali is not the better player. At one time Hali was the better pass rusher. That time is gone.
Hali is not good in coverage and does not have the strength Houston does.

And Houston probably won't see that many sacks because he's also valuable in coverage.



I don't care about the last 5 years we're talking about now. As of this season Houston is the better player.
You guys are preaching to the Choir here. I've been saying that since last offseason.

But we're talking about ELITE. Houston is a very good, ascending player. But Elite? He hasn't done enough to be called elite yet. If Bowe or Flowers aren't elite, then neither is Houston.

Houston needs to do something at an elite level to be elite. He wasn't even elite last season, just very good.
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The right tackle for NO (Zach Strief) is one of the best in the league and Houston flat out dominated him in every possible way. Go listen to his post game remarks to hear how good he is first hand.

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That doesn't mean much to me. How well did he do against Doug Free? See what i mean? Who he played that day means very little to me.

Im not arguing if the guy is good or not. That's not the question. Is he Elite? There isn't any statistical evidence to prove that. He's not elite yet.
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