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WilliamTheIrish · 08:21 AM

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After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

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**ChiTown** · 07-21-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

then why not trade Grienke?

I think you listen, if you can get 2-3 front line position players (preferably a SS, CF and C) who are ready to play damn near immediately.

However, a stud starting pitcher, like Zach, is a keeper. Your chances of winning when Zach pitches, as long as you can generally score 3+ runs are pretty damned good. With Soria, we just don't put ourselves in position to win near enough to say that you wouldn't consider trading him.

Sure-Oz · 07-21-2009, 03:52 PM

Zack is a 20 game winner waiting to happen with a bit of an offense. he is the ace of our staff for the future, it's very hard to get aces. You can find closers all around, even if they aren't dominant they still get a good chunk of saves if they are above avg.

BigRock · 07-21-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

apparently rany's latest post has the royals refuting the information

Where?

Mecca · 07-21-2009, 03:54 PM

A closer is not nearly as valuable as they are made out to be..if someone will give up alot for one you should take it unless you are a world series team.

Sure-Oz · 07-21-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Where?

www.ranyontheroyals.com

is his post...i am not sure there is a public statement about it...but he must've heard something for that new disclaimer on his post.

BigRock · 07-21-2009, 04:09 PM

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he must've heard something for that new disclaimer on his post.

He probably heard a bunch of people were reading it and thinking it was true. Where did this idea that the Royals themselves were refuting the story come from?

**DeezNutz** · 07-21-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

trading Soria is the equivalent of the Chiefs trading Jared Allen, except if we had Allen signed up for a few more years. Why trade a guy that good that is still so young?

Just because we aren't going to compete this year, maybe next, why get rid of a guy we can have for a while?

When we are ready to compete (hopefully in 2011 and 2012) we will need a dominant closer, and everyone will be bitching about the Royals giving up saves just like Chiefs fans are bitching about not pressuring the QB now.

People only seem to look at this year for this stuff. We have the guy, will have him for a while, so why create another need in the hopes of filling a different one?

For people calling for trading Soria, 2 questions:
- Now that we have seen a year of the results, do you agree with the Jared Allen trade?
- Do you believe in this organization to get the maximum return for a great arm like Soria?

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Originally Posted by sedated

then why not trade Grienke?

Football and baseball aren't even on the same planet in terms of what it takes to effectively rebuild, so the Allen analogy doesn't work well here.

As much as we all love Soria and think he's nails, if we're honest with ourselves, he's not one of the top 3 closers in the game. Don't get me wrong, he's very, very good. But not on the level of irreplaceable, elite talent.

Greinke, on the other hand, is a rare talent. I wouldn't trade him under any circumstances.

Soria would net a huge return. HUGE (his emphasis) according to Jayson Stark, and we have so many holes that I'd entertain the idea and listen intently. Do I trust Moore to pull off a great trade? Nope. But the returns should be so high for a Soria that a grain of common sense should be able to guide one into a profitable deal.

sedated · 07-21-2009, 05:00 PM

If the justification to trade Soria is "we won't compete anytime soon", then there's no reason to hold onto Grienke.

Keep 'em both. No reason to give up the near future, and they are some amazing building-blocks.

(IMHO of course).

Plus there is still the thought out there that Soria can be a good starter.

**DeezNutz** · 07-21-2009, 05:03 PM

Soria is replaceable and trading him could (read: should) fill multiple holes with top talent.

Greinke is irreplaceable talent. Elite. Teams should never trade players of this caliber.

Sure-Oz · 07-21-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

He probably heard a bunch of people were reading it and thinking it was true. Where did this idea that the Royals themselves were refuting the story come from?

Rumors off of Royalscorner.com

**Reaper16** · 07-21-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

As much as we all love Soria and think he's nails, if we're honest with ourselves, he's not one of the top 3 closers in the game. Don't get me wrong, he's very, very good. But not on the level of irreplaceable, elite talent.

I want to know who you think the top 3 closers in the game are, and if any of those 3 are irreplaceable, elite talent.

**DeezNutz** · 07-21-2009, 05:19 PM

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I want to know who you think the top 3 closers in the game are, and if any of those 3 are irreplaceable, elite talent.

Closers I think are better than Soria:

Rivera, Nathan, Papelbon, Rodriguez, off the top of my head.

I wouldn't touch a Rivera in his prime. But, on the whole, I think very, very few relievers are untouchable.

Of course, this is also dependent upon if your club is in contention or not.

**Reaper16** · 07-21-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Closers I think are better than Soria:

Rivera, Nathan, Papelbon, Rodriguez, off the top of my head.

I wouldn't touch a Rivera in his prime. But, on the whole, I think very, very few relievers are untouchable.

Of course, this is also dependent upon if your club is in contention or not.

I can agree with Rivera, Nathan, Papelbon ahead of Soria in that order. K-Rod doesn't seem better to me.

Of those, the only one I would consider "irreplaceable, elite talent" is Mariano.

**DeezNutz** · 07-21-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I can agree with Rivera, Nathan, Papelbon ahead of Soria in that order. K-Rod doesn't seem better to me.

Of those, the only one I would consider "irreplaceable, elite talent" is Mariano.

K-Rod is more naturally gifted, and he's had great results on an admittedly very good team. Eh, I can understand thinking otherwise.

Nightfyre · 07-21-2009, 05:56 PM

I almost wonder if we shouldn't reconsider starting soria. We suck too much to be invested in a closer.
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