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**BigRedChief** · 09:44 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance

Made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

O.city · 05-19-2015, 07:29 PM

I think Bourjos needs to hit leadoff from now on.

Bourjos
carpenter
Holliday
peralta
1st baseman
Heyward / grichuk
yadi
Wong
P

I would contemplate hitting Wong 2nd and carp in the 5 or 6 hole but I dint see that happening.

George Liquor · 05-19-2015, 08:11 PM

I know it's early, but sitting at 6-0 with an ERA just over 2.. Wacha has to be pitching himself into Cy Young consideration.

**BigRedChief** · 05-19-2015, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23

I know it's early, but sitting at 6-0 with an ERA just over 2.. Wacha has to be pitching himself into Cy Young consideration.

MLB Tonight talking heads all agreed that he is currently the best pitcher in the NL.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-19-2015, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

MLB Tonight talking heads all agreed that he is currently the best pitcher in the NL.

That's ridiculous. Kershaw and Greinke, despite results, have pitched much, much better than Wacha to this point, and Cueto and Harvey have both been better as well. At best, he's in the next tier down with Shelby, as guys with nice traditional stats that have really outpitched their peripherals to this point.

Lynn has been significantly better than Wacha this year.

ChiefsCountry · 05-20-2015, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

I think Bourjos needs to hit leadoff from now on.

Bourjos
carpenter
Holliday
peralta
1st baseman
Heyward / grichuk
yadi
Wong
P

I would contemplate hitting Wong 2nd and carp in the 5 or 6 hole but I dint see that happening.

Bourjos
Wong
Holliday
Carpenter
Peralta
Reynolds/Adams
Heyward
Pitcher
Molina

That's how I would roll if I was the Cardinals.

Hootie · 05-20-2015, 12:54 PM

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-20-2015, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Bourjos
Wong
Holliday
Carpenter
Peralta
Reynolds/Adams
Heyward
Pitcher
Molina

That's how I would roll if I was the Cardinals.

A lot of new saber research suggests that your best hitter should hit second, so keeping Carpenter there actually makes sense.

Also, given Bourjos' reticence to take walks (career rate of 6%), I'm leery of him hitting first. I think a free swinger is better suited to hit eighth, where he's far more likely to see strikes because the pitcher doesn't want to walk someone for the pitcher to sacrifice over.

Also, Molina should not hit 9th, or 8th for that matter. A guy with his bat control is a good candidate to hit 7th, where he can drive in runs with singles, since his power has seemingly totally evaporated. You don't want him hitting what amounts to second leadoff, where he would clog the basepaths in front of Wong and Carpenter.

Against RHP:

1) Wong
2) Carpenter
3) Holliday
4) Peralta
5) Adams
6) Heyward
7) Molina
8) Bourjos/Jay

Against LHP:

1) Wong
2) Carpenter
3) Holliday
4) Peralta
5) Reynolds
6) Molina
7) Bourjos
8) Grichuk

O.city · 05-20-2015, 02:25 PM

Heyward has hit lefties surprisingly well this year, maybe small sample size?

**BigRedChief** · 05-20-2015, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Against RHP:

1) Wong
2) Carpenter
3) Holliday
4) Peralta
5) Adams
6) Heyward
7) Molina
8) Bourjos/Jay

Against LHP:

1) Wong
2) Carpenter
3) Holliday
4) Peralta
5) Reynolds
6) Molina
7) Bourjos
8) Grichuk

No way Matheny benches Hayward. Also when Jay comes off the DL, no matter how anyone is playing, Jay starts.

But, I like your lineups.

Hootie · 05-20-2015, 03:28 PM

Lorenzo Cain is playing at a 7 WAR level on defense alone right now ... Heyward's defense is so valuable he is a must start even sporting a .600 OPS ... just bat him 8th if that's the case

O.city · 05-20-2015, 05:41 PM

Well, we scored a run off Colon, which is 1 more than normal

Marcellus · 05-20-2015, 05:49 PM

WTF is Adams still in the 4 hole?

O.city · 05-20-2015, 05:56 PM

Trying to jump start him I'd guess.

I'm curious what his babip is during this shitty streak, especially as of late. Seems to have hit into some bad luck

O.city · 05-20-2015, 06:09 PM

We've wasted alot of chances so far.

Marcellus · 05-20-2015, 06:09 PM

Holy shit balls, and he golfed it out.

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05-19-2015, 07:29 PM	#1366
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-535936	I think Bourjos needs to hit leadoff from now on. Bourjos carpenter Holliday peralta 1st baseman Heyward / grichuk yadi Wong P I would contemplate hitting Wong 2nd and carp in the 5 or 6 hole but I dint see that happening.
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05-19-2015, 08:11 PM	#1367
George Liquor Forklift Certified Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: House of the Rising Sun Casino cash: $-730150	I know it's early, but sitting at 6-0 with an ERA just over 2.. Wacha has to be pitching himself into Cy Young consideration.
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05-20-2015, 12:54 PM	#1371
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05-20-2015, 02:25 PM	#1373
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-535936	Heyward has hit lefties surprisingly well this year, maybe small sample size?
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05-20-2015, 03:28 PM	#1375
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Lorenzo Cain is playing at a 7 WAR level on defense alone right now ... Heyward's defense is so valuable he is a must start even sporting a .600 OPS ... just bat him 8th if that's the case
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05-20-2015, 05:41 PM	#1376
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-535936	Well, we scored a run off Colon, which is 1 more than normal
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05-20-2015, 05:49 PM	#1377
Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-307338	WTF is Adams still in the 4 hole?
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05-20-2015, 05:56 PM	#1378
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-535936	Trying to jump start him I'd guess. I'm curious what his babip is during this shitty streak, especially as of late. Seems to have hit into some bad luck
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05-20-2015, 06:09 PM	#1379
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-535936	We've wasted alot of chances so far.
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05-20-2015, 06:09 PM	#1380
Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-307338	Holy shit balls, and he golfed it out.
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