Kevin Kietzman's Sermon Today on 810 Sports - Page 22

KCJohnny · 12-31-2007, 04:04 PM

KK was in rare form today excoriating King Carl's failure to deliver on the main SB ingredient: a franchise QB.

Among KK's points (and I'm posting them for discussion, not neccessarily aggreeing with them):

SB winning teams build around a franchise QB; not a TE (Gonzalez) or OLT
Denver built its team around Elway; result: 5 SBs
Brady and 4 other Pats are the only constants since 2001; the other 48 players have all been imported to build around Brady
The Colts have 7 #1 picks on their squad: QB, RB, TE, WRS and a CB - no OLT, no LBs/DTs, etc...
Conventional wisdom: 3 of the top 10 draft prospects are QBs
Brodie Croyle is not the QBotF; he is < Jake Plummer
Paying LJ $19 mil was a colossal blunder
Quality OLmen can be selected in the 3-7th rounds
Carl's job might not be as safe as he is telling the media
Herm may resign if he can't get sufficient control to turn things around; he will be hired again in the NFL if that happens
Clark Hunt will address the media next week
A major Chiefs announcement is pending (?)
Solari is as good as gone (will not accept demotion to OL coach)
Chiefs must draft a QB #1 or forget a SB; they may get another 11-5 early exit, but no SB w/o a franchise QB
15 of the last 19 years the Chiefs have had a SB-caliber OL but not the QB to go with it; 20 NFL teams currently have OLs good enough to win a SB but very few have the QB

It was rather disturbing to listen to KK's severe appraisal of young Mr. Croyle. He deplored Croyle's performance in every aspect, and said a strong arm is not enough. 0-6 was plenty of opportunity to see if the potential is there and it clearly is not. He identified Croyle's holding onto the ball, poor reads, missing open receivers, throwing behind the receiver, etc... as performance weaknesses and then he went into the usual riffing about Croyle's durability.

It was pretty compelling the way KK presented it. I agree with much but not sure Croyle can't improve. I was deeply disappointed with Brodie's performance yesterday but 2 things jumped out at me:

1. Gonzo and Bowe dropped about 7 passes between them;

2. Until Croyle learns the touch pass, he's never gonna make it in the NFL. Throwing lazer darts from 5 yards away is stupid.

Happy New Year,
KCJ

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well Russell would go ahead of Ryan if they were in the same draft...Russell is a guy who'd be a top 2 pick every single time he was in the draft.

Why?

Because he has a strong arm?

Mecca · 01-01-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why?

Because he has a strong arm?

He has ridiculous tools, hey you can laugh all you want but every single scout will give him an A+ rating. He has size, decent mobility the rocket arm. He has every physical tool you look for a QB to have...

He would be a #1 pick most years, if he and Carson Palmer were in the same draft coming out of college there would be serious debate on who should go first, and that's from me an SC guy.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-01-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He has ridiculous tools, hey you can laugh all you want but every single scout will give him an A+ rating. He has size, decent mobility the rocket arm. He has every physical tool you look for a QB to have...

He would be a #1 pick most years, if he and Carson Palmer were in the same draft coming out of college there would be serious debate on who should go first, and that's from me an SC guy.

Reminds me of Culpepper to be honest. Another overated QB.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He has ridiculous tools, hey you can laugh all you want but every single scout will give him an A+ rating. He has size, decent mobility the rocket arm. He has every physical tool you look for a QB to have...

He would be a #1 pick most years, if he and Carson Palmer were in the same draft coming out of college there would be serious debate on who should go first, and that's from me an SC guy.

Ridiculous physical tools, minus a brain, does not equal success in the NFL.

You've lost your mind if you think Russell could sniff Palmer's jock.

His decision making was terrible in college. Some claim he struggles to read a defense.

Palmer had the physical tools as well as the mental make up to succeed at this level. He just needs some help on Defense to help out the Offense.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-01-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Ridiculous physical tools, minus a brain,

That would make him the black version of Jeff George...

FringeNC · 01-01-2008, 03:15 PM

KK is partially right. It's all about QB AND LT, both of which can come either in the first round or sixth round or whatever. Selecting a QB in the first round has been far from a fool-proof strategy to reach the Super Bowl.

My view is that we see parity disappearing in this league because the top minds like at NE will find and develop the young talent continuously, and teams with no brain power running the show will suck no matter how many top 10 picks they have over the years.

Our hope I guess is that Kuharich IS really smart, and the Herm's ego allows himself to become Dungified, and lets a good offensive coordinator completely control his side of the ball without interference.

FAX · 01-01-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

... When we finally get a good line, and he still sucks, does he still have all the tools?

Good question, Mr. The Bad Guy peep guy man. I say, "no".

Still, I think we'll find out what we need to know before Tony retires. A lot of these problems have to do with basic pass protection and some of it has to do with the fact that we've been struggling in the run game. Throw in some wacky play calls and a scaled down offensive scheme, and it's kind of difficult to assess his ability to play the position satisfactorily.

FAX

Messier · 01-01-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Yea, levi works for 810. That's gotta be it.

You work for 810 don't you?

xbarretx · 01-04-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Ridiculous physical tools, minus a brain, does not equal success in the NFL.

You've lost your mind if you think Russell could sniff Palmer's jock.

His decision making was terrible in college. Some claim he struggles to read a defense.

Palmer had the physical tools as well as the mental make up to succeed at this level. He just needs some help on Defense to help out the Offense.

i think his brain isn’t the issue i just think he was surrounded by a fantastic team thus he didn’t have to worry about decision making b/c he had RB's that can run and receivers that certainly could catch.

now back to the draft -
the BEST news regarding this draft is worst we can do is 5th right? well the top 5 guys' positions ..atm

RB = good trade value if mcfadden fell (which he wont)
DT dorsey
DE long
QB brohm or ryan (depending on where you look)
OT long

that means providing the top 5 is like that, the Chiefs are guaranteed to get at least one position that can be an immediate impact player (minus ... or maybe even QB)

so if we stick to BPA , with all the chiefs picks.. we should come out of this draft smelling of roses in lavender oil (from at least a draft grade standpoint) because this draft is deep at what we need

p.s. yes I know I am either Mr. overly optimistic and/or crazy

Pushead2 · 01-04-2008, 10:28 AM

I feel if we can get Long , our line will benefit big time. Make Long LT , move the other waste to RT and we would be 3 out of 5.

xbarretx · 01-04-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushead2

I feel if we can get Long , our line will benefit big time. Make Long LT , move the other waste to RT and we would be 3 out of 5.

Make no mistake i feel that any of the top 5 prospects this year would be a huge plus to have for the Chiefs and getting the top LT would be icing on the icing on the cake

that’s double ICING!

dj56dt58 · 01-04-2008, 10:54 AM

I cant wait until we get rid of Croyle for some average qb and watch him turn into a top 5 qb..chief fans want to develop a qb but want it do happen in 6 games..jesus

xbarretx · 01-04-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

I cant wait until we get rid of Croyle for some average qb and watch him turn into a top 5 qb..chief fans want to develop a qb but want it do happen in 6 games..jesus

lets hope not, we need to have him play all of 08. Period.

12-31-2007, 04:04 PM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Kevin Kietzman's Sermon Today on 810 Sports KK was in rare form today excoriating King Carl's failure to deliver on the main SB ingredient: a franchise QB. Among KK's points (and I'm posting them for discussion, not neccessarily aggreeing with them): SB winning teams build around a franchise QB; not a TE (Gonzalez) or OLT Denver built its team around Elway; result: 5 SBs Brady and 4 other Pats are the only constants since 2001; the other 48 players have all been imported to build around Brady The Colts have 7 #1 picks on their squad: QB, RB, TE, WRS and a CB - no OLT, no LBs/DTs, etc... Conventional wisdom: 3 of the top 10 draft prospects are QBs Brodie Croyle is not the QBotF; he is < Jake Plummer Paying LJ $19 mil was a colossal blunder Quality OLmen can be selected in the 3-7th rounds Carl's job might not be as safe as he is telling the media Herm may resign if he can't get sufficient control to turn things around; he will be hired again in the NFL if that happens Clark Hunt will address the media next week A major Chiefs announcement is pending (?) Solari is as good as gone (will not accept demotion to OL coach) Chiefs must draft a QB #1 or forget a SB; they may get another 11-5 early exit, but no SB w/o a franchise QB 15 of the last 19 years the Chiefs have had a SB-caliber OL but not the QB to go with it; 20 NFL teams currently have OLs good enough to win a SB but very few have the QB It was rather disturbing to listen to KK's severe appraisal of young Mr. Croyle. He deplored Croyle's performance in every aspect, and said a strong arm is not enough. 0-6 was plenty of opportunity to see if the potential is there and it clearly is not. He identified Croyle's holding onto the ball, poor reads, missing open receivers, throwing behind the receiver, etc... as performance weaknesses and then he went into the usual riffing about Croyle's durability. It was pretty compelling the way KK presented it. I agree with much but not sure Croyle can't improve. I was deeply disappointed with Brodie's performance yesterday but 2 things jumped out at me: 1. Gonzo and Bowe dropped about 7 passes between them; 2. Until Croyle learns the touch pass, he's never gonna make it in the NFL. Throwing lazer darts from 5 yards away is stupid. Happy New Year, KCJ
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01-01-2008, 03:15 PM	#321
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1846014	KK is partially right. It's all about QB AND LT, both of which can come either in the first round or sixth round or whatever. Selecting a QB in the first round has been far from a fool-proof strategy to reach the Super Bowl. My view is that we see parity disappearing in this league because the top minds like at NE will find and develop the young talent continuously, and teams with no brain power running the show will suck no matter how many top 10 picks they have over the years. Our hope I guess is that Kuharich IS really smart, and the Herm's ego allows himself to become Dungified, and lets a good offensive coordinator completely control his side of the ball without interference.
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01-04-2008, 10:28 AM	#325
Pushead2 **** off Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York Casino cash: $7401882	I feel if we can get Long , our line will benefit big time. Make Long LT , move the other waste to RT and we would be 3 out of 5. __________________ "**** up once, lose two teeth....”
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01-04-2008, 10:54 AM	#327
dj56dt58 Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9960055	I cant wait until we get rid of Croyle for some average qb and watch him turn into a top 5 qb..chief fans want to develop a qb but want it do happen in 6 games..jesus
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