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Welcome to 2013! Now get your ass in top physical condition!

**From the 2012 Thread**

If you want to get back into lifting, or need a new lifting routine, START HERE:

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wi...inner_Programs

If you have questions about the SS programs, look here:

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ

Keep in mind that you're a novice lifter for a longer period of time than you think you are. Novice lifting can last anywhere from a few months to a year or two, depending on how hard you hit the weights and where you started.

Once you've reached the point where you don't make regular progress on the SS program, you are ready to move on to the intermediate stage, which can last you for a good number of years. Find it HERE:

http://madcow.hostzi.com/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm

If you're a very advanced lifter (many, many years of CONSISTENT weight training), then there are lot of programs out there, and which one you pick is simply a matter of preference. If you're really that advanced, you should know what works for you and what doesn't by this point.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:42 PM   #61
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Hip pain? You're old as shit, bro.


I feel like it. Olympic lifting for 2 years and doing cleans, snatches and squats 4-5x a week sure beat up my body. Hip issues are genetic related and Olympic lifting sure as **** aggravated the condition....no shock there I suppose! Was fun as hell lifting and competing for those few years though. I honestly think the warm Arizona weather is the biggest reason they now feel ok. Thinking of possibly getting back into Oly lifting sometime soon.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:50 PM   #62
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p90x got me jacked. But never felt like I was in good cardio shape. Kenpo, for example, is complete crap. Never broke a sweat.

p90x2 is more for toning. You get better core and balance muscles, but you don't get jacked nor do you get in great cardio shape.

Insanity is pure cardio -- think it's a great program for women, but for men... meh, I'd rather lift. Plus Insanity can get boring over time.

I'm trying a p90x / Insanity hybrid. I prefer Insanity over p90x ploy and kenpo, and I prefer the "rest" Insanity stuff over Yoga. I'm hoping this will finally get me the balance between being jacked and feeling like I'm in decent cardio shape.



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I did Insanity as well and absolutely hated it. It is pure cardio where neither P90 program are. There is cardio incorporated into P90X and P90X2, but Insanity is nothing but cardio (unless you count pushups or Level 1 and 2 drills (basically burpees) as resistence training). Comparing the two is apples and oranges to me, so tougher is relative.

P90X is all about push ups and pull ups with some cardio exercises mixed in. You'll use dumbbells or bands in most other excercises (curls, shoulder presses, tricept extentions etc..) The cardio in P90X often incorporates some weight in the form of dumbbells or resistance bands too(think weighted lunge type stuff). The most pure cardio routines in P90X are Plyometrics (which will kick your ass for a good while) and Kenpo X (basically a kicking and punching cardio routine). You also have Yoga X mixed in. Yoga X is really tough for the first half, but just as you're ready to give up it gets better. My biggest beef with it was that it's 1.5 hours....too long some days and tough to fit in a schedule. Most P90X routines are about 1:15 including Ab Ripper X. You can modify the routines to fit your fitness level and will most likely have to unless you're in really good shape and used to the movements involved. There are also other discs that are less intense. You can sub Cardio X for Plyo if it really kicks your ass. X Stretch and Core synergistics are mixed in on your recovery weeks or recovery days. P90X has a weekly schedule.

P90X2 is kind of similar to P90X. The differences are that it incorporates an exercise ball (a medieval torture device) and while this one is also about push ups and pull ups, it has a huge emphasis on the core. Adding in the exercise ball is a whole other animal when doing push ups and dumbbell work outs (I've never felt as uncoordinated as I did in some of these). P90X2 also focuses on balance more also encorporating the exercise ball and doing various exercises on one leg or in different positions. You get updated versions of the Cardio routines too. Plyometrics is now Plyocide which is hard core, but coming from P90X wasn't as horrible as Plometrics was at first. If you start with P90X2 I'd imgine it would be pretty bad too though. Ab Ripper X is now X2 Ab ripper and it is a lot more core focused as well. I'll be honest and say that I only did X2 Yoga once or twice simply because of the time it took (68 minutes). Overall P90X2 routines are a bit shorter than P90X though. Also updated in P90X2 is there are no scheduled recovery weeks (you can add them where you feel you need them). Recovery time is incorporated sort of on day 7 with Recovery and Mobility, but I typically ran or rested on these days. P90X2 is phase based (2 phases) where you move on to the next phase when you feel you've mastered one.

You can google the work out routines, but here are some links to get an idea.
P90X workout schedule.
P90X2 Workout Schdule

I liked both P90X and P90X2, but it's tough to pick which I liked better because they are a little different. If you want more toning I would go with P90X2 as the core stuff really makes you sweat and of course is in my opinion more toning based all the way around. You will get toned with P90X, but it has more traditional pure strength moves IMO. Neither is going to gain you a lot of bulk, but I don't think you're looking for that.

It's been about a year since I did P90X and probably 6 months since I did P90X2, so my review probably could be a little better but I'm going off of memory.

Now about Insanity. I mentioned it, but I will again...I HATED it. It was novel for a couple weeks, but the non stop cardio was far from what I wanted to be doing. Some may dispute this part, but I felt I lost some of the muscle I gained through the P90 programs because Insanity simply isn't about that. Shawn T can claim crap like if you want arms like this do this exercise, but WTF ever. Any resistance training you're getting involves your body weight only.
Now it is hard as crap and makes you really sweat and kills your lungs (cardio speaking), so if that's what your after then it's great for that. It's also a good bit shorter than P90 so that part was nice as well (30 and 45 mins). Bottom line it was a great really intense cardio program (the MAX period is INSANE)....I just hated with a passion.
Here's a link to a Insanity Routine PDF.

Hope this helps.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:01 PM   #63
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I did Insanity as well and absolutely hated it. It is pure cardio where neither P90 program are. There is cardio incorporated into P90X and P90X2, but Insanity is nothing but cardio (unless you count pushups or Level 1 and 2 drills (basically burpees) as resistence training). Comparing the two is apples and oranges to me, so tougher is relative.

P90X is all about push ups and pull ups with some cardio exercises mixed in. You'll use dumbbells or bands in most other excercises (curls, shoulder presses, tricept extentions etc..) The cardio in P90X often incorporates some weight in the form of dumbbells or resistance bands too(think weighted lunge type stuff). The most pure cardio routines in P90X are Plyometrics (which will kick your ass for a good while) and Kenpo X (basically a kicking and punching cardio routine). You also have Yoga X mixed in. Yoga X is really tough for the first half, but just as you're ready to give up it gets better. My biggest beef with it was that it's 1.5 hours....too long some days and tough to fit in a schedule. Most P90X routines are about 1:15 including Ab Ripper X. You can modify the routines to fit your fitness level and will most likely have to unless you're in really good shape and used to the movements involved. There are also other discs that are less intense. You can sub Cardio X for Plyo if it really kicks your ass. X Stretch and Core synergistics are mixed in on your recovery weeks or recovery days. P90X has a weekly schedule.

P90X2 is kind of similar to P90X. The differences are that it incorporates an exercise ball (a medieval torture device) and while this one is also about push ups and pull ups, it has a huge emphasis on the core. Adding in the exercise ball is a whole other animal when doing push ups and dumbbell work outs (I've never felt as uncoordinated as I did in some of these). P90X2 also focuses on balance more also encorporating the exercise ball and doing various exercises on one leg or in different positions. You get updated versions of the Cardio routines too. Plyometrics is now Plyocide which is hard core, but coming from P90X wasn't as horrible as Plometrics was at first. If you start with P90X2 I'd imgine it would be pretty bad too though. Ab Ripper X is now X2 Ab ripper and it is a lot more core focused as well. I'll be honest and say that I only did X2 Yoga once or twice simply because of the time it took (68 minutes). Overall P90X2 routines are a bit shorter than P90X though. Also updated in P90X2 is there are no scheduled recovery weeks (you can add them where you feel you need them). Recovery time is incorporated sort of on day 7 with Recovery and Mobility, but I typically ran or rested on these days. P90X2 is phase based (2 phases) where you move on to the next phase when you feel you've mastered one.

You can google the work out routines, but here are some links to get an idea.
P90X workout schedule.
P90X2 Workout Schdule

I liked both P90X and P90X2, but it's tough to pick which I liked better because they are a little different. If you want more toning I would go with P90X2 as the core stuff really makes you sweat and of course is in my opinion more toning based all the way around. You will get toned with P90X, but it has more traditional pure strength moves IMO. Neither is going to gain you a lot of bulk, but I don't think you're looking for that.

It's been about a year since I did P90X and probably 6 months since I did P90X2, so my review probably could be a little better but I'm going off of memory.

Now about Insanity. I mentioned it, but I will again...I HATED it. It was novel for a couple weeks, but the non stop cardio was far from what I wanted to be doing. Some may dispute this part, but I felt I lost some of the muscle I gained through the P90 programs because Insanity simply isn't about that. Shawn T can claim crap like if you want arms like this do this exercise, but WTF ever. Any resistance training you're getting involves your body weight only.
Now it is hard as crap and makes you really sweat and kills your lungs (cardio speaking), so if that's what your after then it's great for that. It's also a good bit shorter than P90 so that part was nice as well (30 and 45 mins). Bottom line it was a great really intense cardio program (the MAX period is INSANE)....I just hated with a passion.
Here's a link to a Insanity Routine PDF.

Hope this helps.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:57 PM   #64
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P90x without a shadow of doubt will work. And insanity, well it's even more intense then p90x.

For beginners who are extremely overweight or really out off shape, I would highly, highly recommend 10 minute Trainer. It is basically a simplified P90x broken down into 10 minute workouts. For those who are really out of shape. Start slow. If you try to start big. You will likely get discouraged. Start with 10 minute, move to p90x then move to insanity

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Old 01-25-2013, 09:41 AM   #65
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I feel like it. Olympic lifting for 2 years and doing cleans, snatches and squats 4-5x a week sure beat up my body. Hip issues are genetic related and Olympic lifting sure as **** aggravated the condition....no shock there I suppose! Was fun as hell lifting and competing for those few years though. I honestly think the warm Arizona weather is the biggest reason they now feel ok. Thinking of possibly getting back into Oly lifting sometime soon.
Yeah. I hurt my lower back over a year ago and I still get pain shooting down my hip from it. It makes me feel old. I'm totally starting over with light weight to get my body functioning properly with good form and mobility. The crossfit box I've joined seems to be great for that.

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P90x without a shadow of doubt will work. And insanity, well it's even more intense then p90x.

For beginners who are extremely overweight or really out off shape, I would highly, highly recommend 10 minute Trainer. It is basically a simplified P90x broken down into 10 minute workouts. For those who are really out of shape. Start slow. If you try to start big. You will likely get discouraged. Start with 10 minute, move to p90x then move to insanity

Insanity is pretty worthless to me as it is. It needs to add some weight days.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:34 AM   #67
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I'm trying a p90x / Insanity hybrid. I prefer Insanity over p90x ploy and kenpo, and I prefer the "rest" Insanity stuff over Yoga. I'm hoping this will finally get me the balance between being jacked and feeling like I'm in decent cardio shape.
I've debated going this route as well. I'm thinking this could be a good compromise.

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Insanity is pretty worthless to me as it is. It needs to add some weight days.
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Well, I just did my 3rd one/one training session at my new crossfit box which was dedicated to dead lift form. I'm loving the instruction. I learned a lot. Mostly that my deadlift was ****ed up. This is exactly what I wanted.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:09 AM   #69
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Does anyone have any advice/recommendations on protein powders? How many grams per day?

I've been told I need one gram per pound of body weight per day, but holy shit...that's a ton. I'm 166 pounds. What are some of the bigger guys in the weight loss thread supposed to do? Seriously, you've got guys over there who weigh around four bills. Are they just supposed to pour they entire container into a give gallon bucket of water and slam it?

That's 13 scoops a day of that shit for just under 400 grams of protein.
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I'm fat and out of shape so it's kicking my ass which is a good thing. Also if I want I can incorporate props (like dumbells) into the training. I am down 13 pounds this month, which is good considering all the beer I have drank.
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Does anyone have any advice/recommendations on protein powders? How many grams per day?

I've been told I need one gram per pound of body weight per day, but holy shit...that's a ton. I'm 166 pounds. What are some of the bigger guys in the weight loss thread supposed to do? Seriously, you've got guys over there who weigh around four bills. Are they just supposed to pour they entire container into a give gallon bucket of water and slam it?

That's 13 scoops a day of that shit for just under 400 grams of protein.
120g is fine.
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Does anyone have any advice/recommendations on protein powders? How many grams per day?

I've been told I need one gram per pound of body weight per day, but holy shit...that's a ton. I'm 166 pounds. What are some of the bigger guys in the weight loss thread supposed to do? Seriously, you've got guys over there who weigh around four bills. Are they just supposed to pour they entire container into a give gallon bucket of water and slam it?

That's 13 scoops a day of that shit for just under 400 grams of protein.
I think you're supposed to base the amount of protein on your target/ideal weight rather than your current weight. If you ate 400g of protein each day, your calorie intake would be ridiculous.

I like Complete Nutrition's V-Core. It's a bit pricey, but it tastes good and it only has 120 calories / 20g protein.
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Does anyone have any advice/recommendations on protein powders? How many grams per day?

I've been told I need one gram per pound of body weight per day, but holy shit...that's a ton. I'm 166 pounds. What are some of the bigger guys in the weight loss thread supposed to do? Seriously, you've got guys over there who weigh around four bills. Are they just supposed to pour they entire container into a give gallon bucket of water and slam it?

That's 13 scoops a day of that shit for just under 400 grams of protein.
I'm a big fan of syntha-6. Great flavors.
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I'm a big fan of syntha-6. Great flavors.
There's a reason it tastes so good -- It contains high fructose corn syrup...

Try Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey Protein --- ON is top quality and great taste.
http://www.amazon.com/Optimum-Nutrit.../dp/B000QSNYGI

The Strawberry and Extreme Chocolate Milk (tastes just like a yoohoo) are both fantastic.
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